How NOT to act when 86'd

[Three]

I don't think that's unheard of.

I don't know myself but it seems like the closest situation to this one could find.

[Marlene]

It would also be interesting to know if a tribal casino is owned by a corporation, and the corporation does business outside of the reservation, could the corporation be sued.

Tribal casinos are owned by the tribe. Sometimes outside corporations are contracted to manage the casino but they, e.g. CET, own nothing.

[FalseCount]

If one elects to abstain from visits to native american casinos, that is his choice.
However, I find it a generally foolish move to completely disregard these properties.

I am perhaps one of the biggest fans of Barona in San Diego. I'm sure many of the members on this site have spent significant time on this reservation property and can corroborate my testimony that the customer service and general treatment of APs by Barona staff is largely unmatched. The pits are sharp and will pick off a player who is gaining a significant advantage, but they will not mistreat you in any way, and may even honor your demonstration of skill (of course the ultimate demonstration would be to continue flying under the radar).
Otherwise, this casino offers one of the best games within hundreds of miles of SoCal, very high limits, and great facilities and comps.

I'm certain there are other Native American gems within the U.S. that are less known, and if one wishes to completely dismiss these properties, he is leaving money on the table.

[biggg]

LOL I mean they cashed the guy out. Hardly harsh treatment.

[Norm]

Tribal casinos are owned by the tribe. Sometimes outside corporations are contracted to manage the casino but they, e.g. CET, own nothing.

Yes, but does the tribe do any business off-reservation and do they use a corporate structure?

[ZenMaster_Flash]

As a tribe cannot be sued for damages, a Risk Manager would purchase minimal insurance

as there is no need to indemnify the tribe.

Homeowners insurance, auto insurance, etc. is not what I am referencing.

I am discussing LIABILITY.

Ordinarily, insurance is a heavy expenditure for a facility with massive (public) foot traffic.

Also, note that very wealthy individuals and (corporate) entities are often self-insured.

Many people do not know that the laws that require us to insure our cars do not always apply.

[Norm]

Nonetheless, there do exists tribes that have waived immunity from personal injury torts, like the Navajo Nation, which operates casinos and is planning more.

Foxwoods requires torts to be filed with the Mashantucket Pequot Tribal Court. But, they have general liability insurance.

Mohegan Sun paid $775,000 after a casino limo crashed and hurt a patron.

In most cases, you're screwed. But, there's no harm in asking a lawyer about the particular tribe.

[Frank Galvin]

The mgmt companies (probably single venture operations) presumably own a right to a stream of fees for their mgmt services. So might be able to collect against retained earnings and future profits, not to mention their insurance coverage.

[Bodarc]

Bob Loeb 12/8/11

http://www.slot-machine-resource.com/podcasts/loeb.mp3

[Shadowless]

Acting as he did is common amongst neophyte counters when getting backed off for the first time.

Seasoned players who have had multiple back offs would not act in that way; they would leave peacefully, quietly, and without causing a scene.

[Three]

So the suits end up being responsible for their actions?

[ZenMaster_Flash]

I have met Bob Nersesian (spelled correctly). His office and cell numbers are on my iPhone.

While I certainly do respect him; if you wish to retain him, his hourly fee may shock you a bit.

Be aware that just because one court decided in favor of the plaintiff's going forward with their

Legal action, is absolutely no guarantee that such will be viewed as legal precedent in other venues.

[WABJ11]

I agree with ZenMaster_Flash... Don't be so quick to call Nersesian. His retainer is $5,000 right off the bat. He claims this to weed out only the serious cases, which makes sense. Maybe it's just me, but Bob Loeb comes across as a much nicer, much more down to earth guy.

The kid suing Maryland Live now for $1.5 Million just retained a family lawyer, Abraham Carpio, and that lawyer has said privately, that in his legal opinion, Nersesian missed a lot of things that he could have filed suit for Grosjean.