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    Now you are expecting the government to do something that make sense. Good luck with that.

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    Marvin,

    " … how about lobbying the state to shut down or severely limit state roads that go to reservations unless state citizens are given standing to sue in egregious situation? It would take about 5 minutes for the casino and tribe to cry uncle.
    Heck, a clause like that should be included by states in the compact with tribes."


    That would be tantamount to a declaration of WAR. A Sovereign State is no different than a Foreign Country.
    I am tired of re-telling the tale of how in 1985 The N.Y. State Police, under direct orders from the Governor N.
    Rockefeller, entered the St. Regis Reservation to shut down the "ILLEGAL" casino and bingo hall. They were met
    with a hail of gunfire and N.Y.S. roads being barricaded with burning tires, etc. The Attorney General had to
    inform the Governor that he cannot have the State Police leave NY and pretend to have any jurisdiction on an
    Indian Reservation.

    "State Compacts", across America, are enacted, wherein the N.A.I.E. pays a cut of their profits to the state.

    The last time that I drove through, on the sole State Road that enters/exits the reservation,

    there is still a billboard
    that says that State and Federal Agents, including the F.B.I., A.T.F.,

    I.R.S., are not permitted to enter the Rez' and must turn back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marvin View Post
    Total long shot, but how about lobbying the state to shut down or severely limit state roads that go to reservations unless state citizens are given standing to sue in egregious situation?
    The same state lawmakers whose salary is paid by the taxes from the casinos? Tribe & local & state government - same team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marlene View Post
    The same state lawmakers whose salary is paid by the taxes from the casinos? Tribe & local & state government - same team.
    Like I said, a total longshot. But, in most states, the total casino tax revenue is a small % of total state revenue. If you know someone with enough juice to at least raise the specter that something like that could happen, the tribe would likely toss the offending parties under the bus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZenMaster_Flash View Post
    Marvin,

    " … how about lobbying the state to shut down or severely limit state roads that go to reservations unless state citizens are given standing to sue in egregious situation? It would take about 5 minutes for the casino and tribe to cry uncle.
    Heck, a clause like that should be included by states in the compact with tribes."


    That would be tantamount to a declaration of WAR. A Sovereign State is no different than a Foreign Country.
    I am tired of re-telling the tale of how in 1985 The N.Y. State Police, under direct orders from the Governor N.
    Rockefeller, entered the St. Regis Reservation to shut down the "ILLEGAL" casino and bingo hall. They were met
    with a hail of gunfire and N.Y.S. roads being barricaded with burning tires, etc. The Attorney General had to
    inform the Governor that he cannot have the State Police leave NY and pretend to have any jurisdiction on an
    Indian Reservation.

    "State Compacts", across America, are enacted, wherein the N.A.I.E. pays a cut of their profits to the state.

    The last time that I drove through, on the sole State Road that enters/exits the reservation,

    there is still a billboard
    that says that State and Federal Agents, including the F.B.I., A.T.F.,

    I.R.S., are not permitted to enter the Rez' and must turn back.
    Shutting down I5 south of San Diego is not the same as declaring war on Mexico. It is the US's sovereign right to do so.
    Shutting down a state road before it enters a foreign land (reservation) is not the same are invading the reservation. The states are not powerless, they just usually chose not to exercise their power.
    In 1985, how long would the tribe have held out if the state shut down the only road leading to the reservation? No state trooper needed to ever set foot on tribal land.

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    A reservation is not a foreign land. Members of the tribes are full U.S. and state citizens and vote in state and federal elections.
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    Just don't act like a jackass and if something happens that requires justice realize that it will not come via the state or the Rez authorities. You will need to seek other channels. Justice can come in many forms. People will only push as far as they are allowed to. Revenge is a dish best served cold.

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    WOW thats crazy so be careful you play at these, right

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZenMaster_Flash View Post
    Who manages the property is moot, to use the legal term.
    If the person or business entity is on reservation property
    the patron is left without resources. A State Civil Court has
    Absolutely NO jurisdiction and cannot proceed with a civil suit.
    I appreciate your opinion but I will proceed as I was directed under the advice of counsel.
    Luck is nothing more than probability taken personally!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norm View Post
    A reservation is not a foreign land. Members of the tribes are full U.S. and state citizens and vote in state and federal elections.
    I worded that poorly. Yes they are citizens. It is as if they have dual citizenship.

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    Certainly check with a lawyer. If a tribe waives immunity, suits can be brought in state court. I've read that some tribes have waived immunity from civil suits as long as the damages would be paid from their insurance.

    It would also be interesting to know if a tribal casino is owned by a corporation, and the corporation does business outside of the reservation, could the corporation be sued.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Norm View Post
    It would also be interesting to know if a tribal casino is owned by a corporation, and the corporation does business outside of the reservation, could the corporation be sued.
    I am not a lawyer but I play one on the forum. LOL

    Just kidding. I would think it would be like taking a company to an american court for what they did in another country. I don't think you can do that. Perhaps the location of corporate headquarters would come into play but If the US courts ruled against the corporations it would just make even more corporate headquarters moved offshore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tthree View Post
    Just kidding. I would think it would be like taking a company to an american court for what they did in another country.
    I don't think that's unheard of.
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