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    Single deck game removed from Wynn weeks after I posted information about it

    On June 3rd, I posted an AP opportunity for the Wynn's 6:5 single deck game on BJ21. Shortly after, on July 13th, a thread was made on WoV reporting that the game has been removed, though the exact date of when the game was removed could have been prior to that thread.

    I can't believe a small piece of information led to people burning out that game.

    Sharing is supposed to be caring, no?

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    On a 6:5 SD? Don't know why they would.
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    I can't believe you haven't learned not to burn out opportunities by giving other AP's a roadmap tot it on an open forum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tthree View Post
    I can't believe you haven't learned not to burn out opportunities by giving other AP's a roadmap tot it on an open forum.
    It was the first and only time I gave information about a game and opportunity, and will certainly be the last time.

    The player advantage was over 11% even after accounting for the 1.5% house edge.
    The game was worth well over $6,600 per hour if flat betting $1,000 per hand, assuming a very conservative 60 hands per hour.

    It was easy to blend in and seem like a gambler, especially since I was flat betting on a 6:5 game.
    It's too bad others had to really burn that game so quickly, as I had no issue playing it each time I visited -- about once a month or every other month.
    Again, that is the last time I will share about a lucrative opportunity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowless View Post
    It was the first and only time I gave information about a game and opportunity, and will certainly be the last time.
    I have not studied anything on single deck so my knowledge is limited, but if a game is beatable when you flat bet (assuming you have index knowledge or what not); then by my logic, then that game is less EV to the casino when they have the 2 deck cut / 6 deck shoes 6:5 shoes. Perhaps you're over thinking that your post on the forum actually brought down the herds to burn down the game - there's a possibility that they just figured another game in its replacement would've been better. From your post, that game has been there for months, and if the revenue was lacking, they could've pulled it.

    Regardless, posting anything on a forum means open season on it. Your reaction and statement though...

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    Quote Originally Posted by 20 to 1 Spread View Post
    I have not studied anything on single deck so my knowledge is limited, but if a game is beatable when you flat bet (assuming you have index knowledge or what not); then by my logic, then that game is less EV to the casino when they have the 2 deck cut / 6 deck shoes 6:5 shoes. Perhaps you're over thinking that your post on the forum actually brought down the herds to burn down the game - there's a possibility that they just figured another game in its replacement would've been better. From your post, that game has been there for months, and if the revenue was lacking, they could've pulled it.

    Regardless, posting anything on a forum means open season on it. Your reaction and statement though...
    It was a hole card, dealer error, and edge sorting opportunity.
    You wouldn't be able to beat a 6:5 single deck game by flat betting and using full indices.
    That game had been there for over 10 years, not months.
    I had milked that game every month or two for a good two years.
    Such a coincidence that it was removed weeks after I made it public, since it was there since the Wynn opened in 2005.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowless View Post
    On June 3rd, I posted an AP opportunity for the Wynn's 6:5 single deck game on BJ21. Shortly after, on July 13th, a thread was made on WoV reporting that the game has been removed, though the exact date of when the game was removed could have been prior to that thread.

    I can't believe a small piece of information led to people burning out that game.

    Sharing is supposed to be caring, no?
    It's just as likely that someone who works at Wynn saw your post and investigated further.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowless View Post
    On June 3rd, I posted an AP opportunity for the Wynn's 6:5 single deck game on BJ21. Shortly after, on July 13th, a thread was made on WoV reporting that the game has been removed, though the exact date of when the game was removed could have been prior to that thread.

    I can't believe a small piece of information led to people burning out that game.

    Sharing is supposed to be caring, no?

    Sharing is NOT caring. You share and you destroy the game. casino people probably read these sites. At the very least, you know other APs read these sites. Probably way more readers than posters. You think they are just going to read about a 1.5% opportunity and say, 'oh that's nice.....I'm just going to keep playing my .5% edge game'. I wouldn't, I would flock to the good game!

    Maybe the game would have been removed regardless of your post, who knows. However, I suggest no one post such opportunities.....doesn't really benefit anyone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Avincow View Post
    Sharing is NOT caring. You share and you destroy the game. casino people probably read these sites. At the very least, you know other APs read these sites. Probably way more readers than posters. You think they are just going to read about a 1.5% opportunity and say, 'oh that's nice.....I'm just going to keep playing my .5% edge game'. I wouldn't, I would flock to the good game!

    Maybe the game would have been removed regardless of your post, who knows. However, I suggest no one post such opportunities.....doesn't really benefit anyone.
    A genuine AP is essentially a glorified predator!

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    pure coincidence

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    That's unfortunate. I've lost similar HC games due to others' burning it out, so I stick to only sharing info with a few that I trust that won't destroy it in a short-time span.
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    Do you have a link to the BJ21 post you mentioned in your thread? I'm curious how you attacked this game. I would have PM'd but it seems shadowless doesn't have that privilege.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Pokerplayer View Post
    Do you have a link to the BJ21 post you mentioned in your thread? I'm curious how you attacked this game. I would have PM'd but it seems shadowless doesn't have that privilege.


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    Just go to the free message board. The message date is June 3....not too many posts to scroll through

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