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Originally Posted by Orangechip2
I am not sure if this was an actual request for info or an excuse to post what you posted. I have a decent network. It began with some top pros contacting me to help me. Since then I have helped a lot of people. I didn't expect anything. I just answered their questions honestly. Some I helped get back to a simple count others I helped learn things about doing the math to get answers that are hard to come by. Others ended up pursuing more complicated approaches. It is funny I never try to tell them what to do just answer their questions. So often they do unexpected things with the answers. I just forget about having helped them because so many have asked. Some contact me later to reciprocate with info they think I will find useful. This sometimes ends up being a relationship. I even helped Bjarg one time and forgot about it. I PM'ed him about something he posted about non-BJ advantage play and to my surprise I got a very detailed response about all kinds of non-card counting advantage plays. I responded that I was amazed he was so forthcoming. He replied that I had helped him in the past and he was just reciprocating. I still am not sure how I helped him or what I could possibly offer such a seasoned pro. The vast and diversified skill set he revealed to me was truly amazing. Maybe he asked for a scouting report because he was in the area. I didn't think he traveled around my area so that probably isn't it.
I enjoyed the post before you deleted it. I'll do a few quick ones.
AP #1: Met this guy when I first started. I don't believe we ever split money, but we shared scouting info. He also helped me find a book, which I truly appreciated.
AP #2: Wanted to meet this guy because he was such a clown of the forums, I had to see what he was like in person. He is a fun person. Never really played or networked.
AP #3: This guy is well respected in the GC community. Very professional. When I was new I e-mailed him a question and was happily surprised to get an answer. Later met in person a few times for brief conversations. He has also given me info via e-mail that helped me avoid problems.
AP #4: This is the only person I met online and have shared results with. Splitting results with someone you don't know real well is hard, but it worked out this time. We had a couple trips, did pretty well. He quit his job and moved to Vegas. This guy taught me how important washing your hands is in casinos. I watched him wash his hands a few times and it was crazy. He vigorously rubs the soap and really spends a full minute like you are suppose to. I have improved my handwashing, but am still not quite on his level. I don't think I get sick quite as much as I use to from casinos.
AP #5: I think this guy got into money trouble. There were some signs while we were playing. He had a very good reputation, and then very quickly had a "secret" terrible reputation. I was invited to invest in a play, but had a bad feeling about it.
Pretty much lost touch with the above APs, although I still have most of their contact info and could get back in touch if I made the effort.
APs #6,7,8,9 Met these folks at my local casino somewhat recently. Some are very chatty. One is not. All were friendly. I was surprised at how people just sit down on your game. I was told you weren't suppose to do that, but it seems very common. I still don't sit at someone else's game unless I am invited and think it will be OK. Heard some interesting stories and shared some info, although I mostly try to avoid them. One is 86ed, I no longer see him but bet our paths with cross again some day.
Meeting people is somewhat dangerous, but usually enjoyable and sometimes worthwhile.
Too true! I'll be washing my hands in the bathroom and see people walking out without washing their hands all the time. Every time my chips stick together I think about that.
I think I met the same guy. Was this about 5 years ago? Or maybe it's just a very common story. I bailed out just in time but I know a guy who got taken for $10k.
-Sonny-
I was not referring to hand washing in casinos in particular, I was referring to folks who think that everyone must wash hands after going to pee, even if they did not get pee on their hands, the same folks who only wash hands after going to a bathroom but never at anytime else. I mean that your hands need washing even more when you have shook hands with people or touched chips, door knobs, car doors and such. Your penis is probably cleaner because it stays tucked in underwear after you shower unlike your hands and thus there is more of a need to wash after other activities.
LI was taking a leak one day at a particular store. This guy in the washroom wash his hands, but used the hand dryer regardless. Then, the putz sat flown at my table. I related the oarticular set if events for all those in attendance summarizing that the only conclusion that I could come to, wax the individual in question pissed on his own hands. On that basis, I requested the individual seek accommodation, so to speak elsewhere.
It was just the question and the post didn't really fit each other. I went with answering the question with one specific. I have had bad experiences as well. It was just that the return from whatever I did for Bjarg was amazing. I help a lot of people and don't expect anything so I don't really remember who they are. So I can't even remember helping him. Obviously he asked a question that needed sensitive info and I PM'ed him. I have no clue what it was about. If I thought it was something major I would probably remember. I really am amazed I had anything to offer him but obviously I did. I liked your post. I am sorry I chose words poorly that had you remove it. There were valuable lessons there for vetting your network. But I guess no matter what you do it is hard to know who you are dealing with online. They may misrepresent themselves or be misrepresented by others. There is no way to know until you meet them which I guess was your point.
I am always vary of meeting other AP"s. The one time I did, he had bad variance, lost his trip bankroll, hassled me to loan him money cause I was up a few hundred dollars.
its still meeting strangers and there are risks involved. Some AP's have helped me through PM's and shared a bit about themselves but I have not tried to meet them. If I go to Las Begas, I am carrying significant cash. Would I really want to meet someone in another city when you are carrying $$$$ in a different city? Most AP's always have significant $$$ in their wallets or car or home, would they want anyone to know they are AP's?
i hVe no doubt that many are nice and kind AP's but there are many who have just become hustlers taking advantage wherever possible. I would not want to be seen as an "opportunity" by some. Be careful.
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