Comp city book still relevent? Comp tips?

**Mr2Project** · 10-22-2012, 04:51 PM

Ive read many books on blackjack in terms of the game itself. Though not very many of them talk about the comps game and if they do its very little. I have no clue on how to go about getting comps or how to properly get rated yet stay somewhat under the radar. Im a red chipper so comps could help me quite a bit. Ive never received any kind of comp so im completely clueless on this subject. I know Max Rubins book is in option but it was written some years ago and would like to know if its still worth reading in todays game?

**zengrifter** · 10-22-2012, 05:19 PM

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**RWM** · 10-22-2012, 05:20 PM

I think it is one of the most important AP books written in the last 20 years. Yes, the numbers are out of date in terms of the amounts they will return to you, but the concepts are not. Like any good AP book it will not take you by the hand, and tell you exactly how to pick up bags of cash, but if you use it creatively the money is there. The concepts in the book have been worth 6-figures to me, and to many other people I know.

**ZenMaster_Flash** · 10-22-2012, 05:27 PM

I concur with the redoubtable RWM.

I often "play for comps" where I have comp'd luxury accommodations.

However, it is important to note that in the last 4 or more years casinos

have been continually reducing their comp expenditures.

**Mr2Project** · 10-22-2012, 05:28 PM

Great thats what my concern, i was thinking that the casinos had become wise to the tactics that are provided in the book. Im actually listening right now to your podcast RWM w/ Max as the guest!

**Three** · 10-22-2012, 05:30 PM

You have to play rated and ask for what you want. Before I upped to green chipper I had to be happy with a nice meal at a good restaurant for a session of BJ. I am not sure that what I was asking for was a lot for my play but they acted like it was. They always made me play more and wait a long time for the comp. I never let an opportunity pass by so I started to ask when it looked like I would walk soon anyway. In other words when the count skyrocketed. I would tell them I would help get the comp approved because I was light headed from lack of food. Then I would jump my bets aggressively. higher than I ever bet before. Most of the time I made some nice money but sometimes I got crushed. I always got my food comp and got a nice meal and it looked to all like I was betting big to earn a comp. They always seemed to buy the idea I was just really hungry and needed food. I never could have jumped my bets like that without the act. Now that I am a green chipper I don't think the trick would fly anymore so I don't use it much. They watch me more closely now but rarely do I feel heat.

**RWM** · 10-22-2012, 05:47 PM

The comps you receive are based on 3 things. Your avg bet, the length of time you play, and whether you lost. All 3 of those things can be manipulated in your favor.

The rest of the game involves you getting a thorough understanding of what you can receive, and monetizing your comps in the best possible way.

KJ · 10-22-2012, 05:53 PM

I'd have to agree with RWM. Comp City provides a good foundation to understanding the system. Times change. The formulas and rates used have changed and not for the better. Technology has in some cases made this manipulation process less effective. But there are still concepts that are sound and the more knowledge you have about the system and how things work, the more likely you can make it work to your advantage.

**moo321** · 10-22-2012, 07:18 PM

Very relevant. That book has probably contributed as much to my bottom line (in the form of reduced costs) as card counting itself. Back-count games, and wong-in with a decent sized bet. This gives both cover, and comps. Say, you want to spread $10-150, wait until +3 (or whatevr) TC, and jump in with a $50 bet. You'll get rated as a $50 player, and if you drop to $10, or jump to $150, it doesn't look like a massive spread.