I don't understand his thinking

[Floor]

Floor, are you suggesting that the card recognition function, when on, would be the prime reason for the machine to jam, thus waiting for the machine to finish its shuffling cycle, if forcing a hand shuffle?

Jams are usually caused by the dealers (or atmosphere) bending/warping the cards. Jams can happen whether card recognition is enabled or not.

[Freightman]

Jams are usually caused by the dealers (or atmosphere) bending/warping the cards. Jams can happen whether card recognition is enabled or not.

I guess that would partially explain why, in my neck if the woods where cards are only changed once a week, why the machines are always jamming.

[Floor]

I guess that would partially explain why, in my neck if the woods where cards are only changed once a week, why the machines are always jamming.

Once a week? That is without a doubt the problem. Not to mention the slew of other game protection issues that causes.

[fjrider]

More casinos are sequencing the shoe. If so, the bottom 26 or 39 cards most likely contain at least 8 "ace" or more. The second most popular sequencing is clumped "seven" and "eight" in the bottom 26 or 39 cards. When a casino forbid you from cutting 26 cards, you should be alerted. I would cut one deck from the bottom, the minimal they allow, then check if the bottom is clumped with ace, seven and eight.

Thanks, BJG, something I will definitely check out. Type of info I was looking for in the thread I started. Interesting that card ID is already in there.

[Marlene]

In the land of sovereignty who exactly is going to be slapping on those shiny metal bracelets?

Given that I've worked with many ASM variants over the years I can assure you (and everyone else) that this is yet another casino myth propagated by the same paranoid crowd that believes casinos "pump oxygen" into the pit to keep players awake and playing longer. Any sort of deceptive manipulation of a shuffle by the house would constitute a serious violation of state gaming regulations. For something this serious, license revocation would be guaranteed, as well shiny new metal bracelets for any casino management directly involved.

[Norm]

The concept of rigging ASMs on a common basis sounds quite ridiculous to me.

[fjrider]

The concept of rigging ASMs on a common basis sounds quite ridiculous to me.

Hmmm, I started this with a quote from you that I agreed with .

Something that has occurred to me during this, and in relation to much other reading:

Have casinos shown any reluctance to use latest technology to prevent honest, but very skilled players from winning money? Or, in some cases, just preventing winners?
I don't believe they have. So do I expect them to ignore technology that further insures no one wins? No I do not.

I think the answers here are still confusing well regulated and hardly regulated casinos.

Still, never hurts to ask a question and I've at least been pointed in various directions from this, so thanks to all.

[ZenMaster_Flash]

fjrider said: "So do I expect them to ignore technology that further insures no one wins?"

IF nobody wins, very soon nobody will be playing.

All the casinos need do is to offer the innumerate

public the same games that have earned them

Obscene fortunes for the last 85 years.

[fjrider]

fjrider said: "So do I expect them to ignore technology that further insures no one wins?"

IF nobody wins, very soon nobody will be playing.

All the casinos need do is to offer the innumerate

public the same games that have earned them

Obscene fortunes for the last 85 years.

I have sat at a casino that is not going to draw excellent players and the people playing wouldn't know the difference between a .3% house edge and a 100% house edge.
And truthfully that pit expects everyone that sits down to lose whatever they bought in with, and are rarely disappointed.
That casino wants suckers only, not you, and technology can insure they get what they want, and they seem to think an endless supply of suckers is available.

[Floor]

In the land of sovereignty who exactly is going to be slapping on those shiny metal bracelets?

I see where this is going. I list the organization(s) responsible for gaming enforcement, you reply with something sarcastic like "yeah, sure, keep believing that!" and we go back and forth until one of us gets tired of responding. No thanks!

[Norm]

Hmmm, I started this with a quote from you that I agreed with

When I said "Well off the beaten path", I was not talking about tribal casinos. I was talking about some towns in Eastern Europe, beach towns in Thailand, and the like. I really don't like broad conjecture of wrong-doing with no serious evidence.

[fjrider]

When I said "Well off the beaten path", I was not talking about tribal casinos. I was talking about some towns in Eastern Europe, beach towns in Thailand, and the like. I really don't like broad conjecture of wrong-doing with no serious evidence.

Ok, thanks for the clarification. Don't paint me with "broad conjecture or wrong-doing". I'm asking for comparisons, and not getting any remarks on my actual question.
I am kind of fascinated by all the "they couldn't possibly be doing anything" type of answers by a bunch of guys trying to work such a small margin with high risk.
Especially since there is such preponderance of posting about how they are out to get us. Amusing.

Edit: I have jumped threads here accidentally.

[Norm]

I am kind of fascinated by all the "they couldn't possibly be doing anything" type of answers by a bunch of guys trying to work such a small margin with high risk.
Especially since there is such preponderance of posting about how they are out to get us. Amusing.

Casinos commit enough provable, serious, bad acts without suggesting others.