H17 Indices

[Freightman]

Simulations methods vary by initiator. Some floor, others truncate. You have to know who does what, and this is usually the reason that the index numbers will vary.

[apkevy]

Simulations methods vary by initiator. Some floor, others truncate. You have to know who does what, and this is usually the reason that the index numbers will vary.

It is now time for me to buy that cvdata or cvcx thing. Gathering indices from different sources as you said will send me on the wrong way. I need precise indexes on h17 8d doa using Hi Lo and flooring.

[apkevy]

I don't think so. Usually RA indices only come into play when you are putting more money out like a double or split or even insurance.

You are right, what you stated made sense.

[Freightman]

It is now time for me to buy that cvdata or cvcx thing. Gathering indices from different sources as you said will send me on the wrong way. I need precise indexes on h17 8d doa using Hi Lo and flooring.

Excellent decision. Together, they are an incredible tool. Also, Wongs Professional Blackjack has some excellent chart material which you will find to be quite valuable. It is of particular interest to hi Lo and halves players.

[apkevy]

Your indexes listed are not risk averse. By definition, index numbers are a benchmark whereby use of the number displayed catches in excess of 50% of the expected value. So, for the sake of argument, splitting 10v 6 becomes a long term winner at plus 4, but only captures, for the sake of argument, 52% of the expected value. Each increase in true count increases your percentage of the total expected value, so, again for the sake of argument, not splitting until plus 7 would capture 70% of the expected value. Minutely less profitable and at the same time, substantially reduces variance. A favorite of mine is 8(not 4,4) v6, which should show positive expectation at plus 1. It's so frequent a hand that by doubling or not doubling so close to index, either way is a dead giveaway. By reserving a double till plus 3, the play is far more infrequent, and at the same time, captures most of the value.

So risk averse indices are kind of an optimal trigger point when taking risk (variance) into count ? Yeah this makes sense. Like not starting to ramp your bets too early to reduce variance and only let a thiny portion of EV go.

Thanks !

[Sharky]

Doubling down 11vA is a basic strategy play on H17, why would I only DD when TC>+1 ? It would make more sense to me to always DD unless the shoe is poor in tens. Maybe I'm wrong.
I would like someone to confirm.

Edit: I think S17 is @ +1, maybe you were reffering to that one.

you are correct, i use +1 for s17.... i hv not played h17 in a very long time (thankfully)

[Freightman]

So risk averse indices are kind of an optimal trigger point when taking risk (variance) into count ? Yeah this makes sense. Like not starting to ramp your bets too early to reduce variance and only let a thiny portion of EV go.

Thanks !

Be careful - that's a different topic. You mentioned that you would buy CVCX and possibly CVData. Those programs will clearly display optimal betting, based on different factors such as spread, bankroll, risk tolerance, deck penetration, etc.

[apkevy]

you are correct, i use +1 for s17.... i hv not played h17 in a very long time (thankfully)

Wish I could play s17 I can't play in US because I'm under legal age there. Can't wait to turn 21, way more opportunities.

[Freightman]

Wish I could play s17 I can't play in US because I'm under legal age there. Can't wait to turn 21, way more opportunities.

Where from?

[apkevy]

I don't know the math or simulations behind it. I don't question it since basic strategy and indices have been run for years. I just accept it and play it that way.

I will not do something that I don't understand. How could you possibly know someone is not wrong.

In this case, Sharky thought this was s17 and told me 11vA should be +1. That was a little mistake but if I would not have tried to understand why it seemed strange to me I would now have a wrong index play. I think understanding something before accepting it and playing it is important. 50 years ago they thought smoking was healthy lol

[apkevy]

Where from?

I have been told here to not give too much information about me, or the names of the stores I play at publicly for longevity purposes lol.
PM me if you want to know.

[Freightman]

I have been told here to not give to much information about me, or the names of the stores I play at publicly for longevity purposes lol.
PM me if you want to know.

Just curious if you were from North of the 49th

[apkevy]

Be careful - that's a different topic. You mentioned that you would buy CVCX and possibly CVData. Those programs will clearly display optimal betting, based on different factors such as spread, bankroll, risk tolerance, deck penetration, etc.

Those programs appear to be so crucial for a card counter. I will buy them very soon.