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    H17 Indices

    I know about 40 h17 indices and would like to add more to my book. I'm not concerned about negative TCs Indices that much because I am wonging out at TC -1.

    Here's my list, feel free to add some.

    Ins.-----+3

    HARDS
    16vA>>>+3
    16vT>>>0
    16v9>>>+4
    15vA>>>+5
    15vT>>>+4
    13v2>>>-1
    12v4>>>0
    12v3>>>+1
    12v2>>>+3
    11vA>>>-1
    10vA>>+3
    10vT>>+4
    9v7>>>+3
    9v3>>>-1
    9v2>>>+1
    8v6>>>+2
    8v5>>>+4
    8v4>>>+6

    SOFTS
    A8v6>>>0
    A8v5>>>+1
    A8v4>>>+3
    A8v3>>>+5
    A7v2>>>0
    A6v2>>>+1
    A5v3>>>+4
    A3v4>>>+2
    A2v5>>>0
    A2v4>>>+3

    SPLITS
    TTv6>>>+4
    TTv5>>>+5
    TTv4>>>+6
    99vA>>>+2
    99v7>>>+3
    77v8>>>+4
    44v4>>>+3 ( DD if TC>+6 )
    33v8>>>+5
    33v2>>>0
    22v8>>>+5

    *feel free to correct me if a couple indices are wrong

    Edit: 8D h17 DOA split 3 times no RSA Hi Lo half deck resolution
    Last edited by apkevy; 06-30-2015 at 03:33 PM.

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    11 v A @ +1, not -1

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sharky View Post
    11 v A @ +1, not -1
    Doubling down 11vA is a basic strategy play on H17, why would I only DD when TC>+1 ? It would make more sense to me to always DD unless the shoe is poor in tens. Maybe I'm wrong.
    I would like someone to confirm.

    Edit: I think S17 is @ +1, maybe you were reffering to that one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by apkevy View Post
    Doubling down 11vA is a basic strategy play on H17, why would I only DD when TC>+1 ? It would make more sense to me to always DD unless the shoe is poor in tens. Maybe I'm wrong.
    I would like someone to confirm.

    Edit: I think S17 is @ +1, maybe you were reffering to that one.
    you are correct, i use +1 for s17.... i hv not played h17 in a very long time (thankfully)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sharky View Post
    you are correct, i use +1 for s17.... i hv not played h17 in a very long time (thankfully)
    Wish I could play s17 I can't play in US because I'm under legal age there. Can't wait to turn 21, way more opportunities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by apkevy View Post
    Wish I could play s17 I can't play in US because I'm under legal age there. Can't wait to turn 21, way more opportunities.
    Where from?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freightman View Post
    Where from?
    I have been told here to not give too much information about me, or the names of the stores I play at publicly for longevity purposes lol.
    PM me if you want to know.
    Last edited by apkevy; 06-30-2015 at 05:19 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by apkevy View Post
    I have been told here to not give to much information about me, or the names of the stores I play at publicly for longevity purposes lol.
    PM me if you want to know.
    Just curious if you were from North of the 49th

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freightman View Post
    Just curious if you were from North of the 49th
    49th of which highway ? Where I live the main highway's 49th exit is very close lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by apkevy View Post
    49th of which highway ? Where I live the main highway's 49th exit is very close lol

    Got it. I'll confirm with u if u can receive pm

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freightman View Post
    Got it. I'll confirm with u if u can receive pm
    Can't seem to receive your PM, maybe I have to be a subscriber.

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    Quote Originally Posted by apkevy View Post
    Can't seem to receive your PM, maybe I have to be a subscriber.
    Yup

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    I use 12 v 5 (and hit if TC is below -1.5, so I don't know if you should use -1 or -2) and A4 v 4 (double at zero), and don't use the two pair splitting indexes that are +5. Aside from TT, I capped my splitting index memorization at +4 (splitting hands, other than tens, are pretty rare when the true count is +5 or more).

    But overall, even though I use halves, I use the same number of index points as you, replacing two with two others. I also found a small percentage of your index numbers are off by .5 or 1 (I take insurance at 3.5, for example), but that is likely due to my using halves instead of hi-lo. Overall, though, the numbers you use look good to me.

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