First Team Effort

[Masterhoudini]

If instead of "first team effort" the title of the thread would have been "clueless AP wannabee takes advantage of high rolling friends to make some extra cash" this discussion never would have happened.

+4 (hands and feet included)

[Sharky]

i couldn't care less the title says....GREAT post....and story...for some, much can be learned..thanks for sharing

[Cloudstreets7087]

If instead of "first team effort" the title of the thread would have been "clueless AP wannabee takes advantage of high rolling friends to make some extra cash" this discussion never would have happened.

Also, not quite sure what you mean by clueless.

[Sharky]

Also, not quite sure what you mean by clueless.

generally means "having no knowledge, ability, or understanding"....LOL

[Blitzkrieg]

I'm not going to explain 23 years of friendship with these guys, but they fall well within the definition of wealthy. They go to the casino with thousands just for entertainment. Winning is just a bonus. They had serious doubts that the methods of card counting had any validity. So, they made me the commission offer and I agreed. Our friendship is in no way bruised.

If your friends know how to play when is it going to dawn on them that they don't need your help? If they both would have lost $10K each on your latest trip would you still be friends with them and vice versa? So losing wouldn't have put a strain on your relationship with them? People get emotional when they lose currency in the casino, even if they don't particularly need the currency because they are affluent, you may be setting yourself up as a scapegoat further down the road because they don't fully understand what it is that you do. Just wait for the first BIG losing session. That will test your friendship.

[Sharky]

generally means "having no knowledge, ability, or understanding"....LOL

and "wannabe" is "a person who tries to act or look like someone else"...he must mean cover....LOL

[RS]

Why is this even being argued? His friends came up with the idea to give him $500 if they won. No reason to call him senseless, wannabe, or whatever other names. Perhaps he didn't do the smartest thing in the world (playing with others who are spreading with the count)....and of course the whole situation is -EV for his friends. Not a particularly interesting story, especially since it wasn't really even team play....but who cares?

Live and let live.

[Blitzkrieg]

The eye in the sky must have been asleep to not spot your relay technique, with both buddies watching you when you raise your bet so they can raise theirs might look suspicious with 2 big bettors on the table. Even the ignorant dealer should have caught on to that.... but the casino employs idiots.

[bjarg]

Why is this even being argued?

If instead of "first team effort" the title of the thread would have been "person takes advantage of high rolling friends to make some extra cash" this discussion never would have happened.

[Sharky]

If instead of "first team effort" the title of the thread would have been "person takes advantage of high rolling friends to make some extra cash" this discussion never would have happened.

Team: a group of people who work together........LOL

obviously, anyone who doesn't see the potential here....associating with "whales"...whether "friends" or not...has A LOT to learn about cover

[Three]

It was not legitimate scavenger play or legitimate advantage play. It was simply taking advantage of well-heeled friends. KJ's comparison to a sleazy sports tout is valid.

This was my thought. How can you do this to someone and call them friend? I am happy to accept a friends generosity to be polite but I don't weasel money out of them.

[Cloudstreets7087]

If your friends know how to play when is it going to dawn on them that they don't need your help? If they both would have lost $10K each on your latest trip would you still be friends with them and vice versa? So losing wouldn't have put a strain on your relationship with them? People get emotional when they lose currency in the casino, even if they don't particularly need the currency because they are affluent, you may be setting yourself up as a scapegoat further down the road because they don't fully understand what it is that you do. Just wait for the first BIG losing session. That will test your friendship.

They definitely don't need my help. They also go to the casino purely for entertainment. The $10K each was disposable to them. The $500 commission was them taunting me with a prize to prove a point that counting does not work. I accepted. All this "Taking advantage of my high roller friends" is really crazy. I don't know how else to put it. It was their idea. They don't need me to play. They were trying to prove to me that counting does not work. That's it.

To them it's just a single data point anyway. They still don't really believe it has validity and it's only because they don't have the patience and dedication to be that serious about a game that is just a hobby for them. Their revenue stream clearly comes from another place. Not blackjack.

[Sharky]

Jesus...
The fact that your handle is so similar to the one associated to one of the best bj players in the world bothers me greatly.
I hope people dont mistake you for him.

You must not have a single friend in your life (shocker) to say something as stupid as that.
I also find it very funny that you think there is something to learn from this story and that at the same time you think of yourself as some sort of master of cover.
Give me a break.

And do us all a favor and ask norm to change your handle.
That one is already taken by a real player.

ok...i will break down the lesson of this story for you...and make it very simple and sweet:

player one is the OP...enters HL table and buys in w/ 2 "friends"

player twe goes to HL room, buy in for said $2000 and spreads to $800 bet

now you tell me....who do you thick raises more suspicion and potential longevity

...of course, you will lie and say "I am inexperienced and the eye doesn't care"...so please don't try it....it's laughable

and the handle REMAINS!!!

GOOD LUCK!