First Team Effort

[Sharky]

Your missing the point.
Repeat this excercise a 100 or 200 times, and the OP's hi roller friends will be in the loss column.

seriously???...this statement is PRECISELY why YOU are missing the point...laughable

[Sharky]

here's a clue, guys....his "friends" are losing that money either way....LOL...now do you get it??????????????????

[Cloudstreets7087]

How am I not being "chill"?

What anyone won is absolutely irrelevant to the conversation. The OP labeled this a team play..."first team effort", which it most definitely was not an AP team play. If anything it compares more to a scavenger play type situation except the OP was taking advantage of non AP players that he considers friends. With friends like that......

I've known these guys for a very long time and trust me, they got off easy with a $500 fee.

It is an interesting way to make a quick buck, though. It doesn't follow the typical long haul philosophies of an AP, but it was an opportunity that presented itself. The "careless" ways of a high roller non-AP, makes for beautiful cover. Their bets were quite erratic. So, when they max bet whenever I bet $800 or more didn't look suspicious at all.

It was a scavenger play. I will agree. The only reason I called it team is because we talked about it before we went into the casino.

[Sharky]

...makes for beautiful cover....

and then add in that said casino will now be more reluctant to 86 you...the "friend" of the high rollers.....so many good things here...you played it perfectly...GOOD LUCK!

frankly, this is just an extension of the red chip/black chip mentality....the inherent differences...in the THINKING, STRATEGY and COVER

[LVBear584]

It was not legitimate scavenger play or legitimate advantage play. It was simply taking advantage of well-heeled friends. KJ's comparison to a sleazy sports tout is valid.

[Cloudstreets7087]

It was not legitimate scavenger play or legitimate advantage play. It was simply taking advantage of well-heeled friends. KJ's comparison to a sleazy sports tout is valid.

Firstly, you don't know me or my friends. I have done so much for their business over the years for free, that they had no problems with the commission. They are extremely bright individuals and find excitement in throwing around thousands of dollars at a casino. Tossing me 500 each was just part of their fun for the night. Trust me, they are not in any way an injured party here. They have tremendous financial assets compared to most and the casino is purely entertainment. Not a means of generating long term income.

[Masterhoudini]

I think the issue is the title of team play- which as bjarg would put it, you've got to be joking me. It IS legit scavenger play though- whether it's sleazy or not is debatable. If everyone had an agreement about it beforehand, then I see nothing wrong with it. It's dishonorable if you take advantage of your friends unbeknownst to them, but clearly in this situation that is not the case.

[KJ]

here's a clue, guys....his "friends" are losing that money either way....LOL...now do you get it??????????????????

Maybe what we should do here is post the definition of "friend". I am going to assume that not necessary and just say a 'real' friend would try to help his friend not lose that money, not divert it into his pocket instead of the casino's. Now do YOU get it???????????

[RS]

The point is, I think, OP went out for a night of playing with some friends. They don't believe in card-counting, he [obviously] does. It sounds like he told them "raise your bets when I do [if you want]". And since they didn't believe CC has any validity they said "okay sure. and if I win X amount because we follow your bets, I'll give you a purple". Yeah, it's obviously -EV for his buddies...but it sounds like his buddies came up with the idea to give him a purple....not OP's idea.

Of course, it could have happened a million different ways. Hell, for all we know OP could have begged his friends for $500 each because he made them win so much. Do I think that happened? Not at all. But is it possible -- yeah sure. And there's a bunch of other scenarios in between. But I believe the events happened as I described in my above paragraph.



Team play? AP team play? Scavenger play? Meh, whatever. I say a weird concoction of all three, with a sprinkle of "being fortunate to have high roller friends" and luck/variance.

Maybe what we should do here is post the definition of "friend". I am going to assume that not necessary and just say a 'real' friend would try to help his friend not lose that money, not divert it into his pocket instead of the casino's. Now do YOU get it???????????

I disagree. The way I read and interpreted the story, it appears it was the OP's friend's ideas to give OP the purple chip.

[Cloudstreets7087]

Maybe what we should do here is post the definition of "friend". I am going to assume that not necessary and just say a 'real' friend would try to help his friend not lose that money, not divert it into his pocket instead of the casino's. Now do YOU get it???????????

I'm not going to explain 23 years of friendship with these guys, but they fall well within the definition of wealthy. They go to the casino with thousands just for entertainment. Winning is just a bonus. They had serious doubts that the methods of card counting had any validity. So, they made me the commission offer and I agreed. Our friendship is in no way bruised.

[bjarg]

If instead of "first team effort" the title of the thread would have been "clueless AP wannabee takes advantage of high rolling friends to make some extra cash" this discussion never would have happened.

[Cloudstreets7087]

If instead of "first team effort" the title of the thread would have been "clueless AP wannabee takes advantage of high rolling friends to make some extra cash" this discussion never would have happened.

That exceeded the max number of characters. So, I went with the other title instead.

[bjarg]

That exceeded the max number of characters. So, I went with the other title instead.

"STUPID THREAD, DONT READ" would have been a better choice then.