When does the edge turn towards the player...

[ZeeBabar]

When does the advantage become ours?

In a DD game (double 9-11, no re-splitting), at what running count does the advantage become a players? Playing HiLo, say, after the first round dealt to 3 people, the RC is +1 or +2 (TC is +1) or +3 (TC becomes plus 1.5), when is it in our favor for increasing the bet?

In the 6 deck game, at what TC do we overcome the casino edge. I used to increase my bet as soon as the TC reached plus 1 but another friend argues that with 5 decks remaining, he doubts there is any edge.

[Jabberwocky]

When does the advantage become ours?

In a DD game (double 9-11, no re-splitting), at what running count does the advantage become a players? Playing HiLo, say, after the first round dealt to 3 people, the RC is +1 or +2 (TC is +1) or +3 (TC becomes plus 1.5), when is it in our favor for increasing the bet?

In the 6 deck game, at what TC do we overcome the casino edge. I used to increase my bet as soon as the TC reached plus 1 but another friend argues that with 5 decks remaining, he doubts there is any edge.

That's elementary. At +2 per deck minus the offset=~0.05.

[ZeeBabar]

This means any bet increase should, if heat is absent, be at TC+2?

[DickFer]

I believe your friend is right. Every TC point above zero gives the player a ~.5 advantage. House edge is around .5 I would guess as an average for 6 deck. So a TC of +1 and you're now flipping coins with casino. (No edge)

If I'm mistaken one of you geniuses on here can correct me.

[ZenMaster_Flash]

NO NO NO A thousand times NO !

Just because you have (an average) advantage of 0.5%

you do NOT increase your betting level.

IF you are betting $20 doll or £20 or 20 grams of interferon,

your expectation is to win 0.05%.

$20 X $0.05 = one cent.

Are you happy with that ?

All you have done is increased your variance. Not desirable.

Read that as -- you have increased the volatility of your results !

At least I hope that you have a "fully-realized" +2.

You need to learn to "floor" your True Count.

[DickFer]

So when do you recommend increasing bet mr. zen

[ZenMaster_Flash]

So when do you recommend increasing bet mr. zen

Is this a real question or are you intoxicated ?

If +1 generates a razor thin advantage, it should be obvious that at +2

you will have a small, but not insignificant, edge.

The real question has to do with the "bet spread" or "ramp"

That should be computer-generated … modified to keep "heat" in mind.

However, "on the road" this is how you do it.

A 2% advantage suffices for you to place your "Max Bet"

You then scale The bets downward (in even amounts) to NO advantage.

If you know what your advantage / disadvantage is at all True Counts

then it takes the arithmetic ability of a dull-witted 9 year old to set these.

[Norm]

Click for advantage per true count.

Whether you increase your bet at +1 or +2 depends. With better rules, you are much more likely to increase at +1. OTOH, with better penetration, you are less likely to increase at +1. When wonging-out, you would not increase at +1.

[apkevy]

So when do you recommend increasing bet mr. zen

Depending on game's rules, you should start ramping your bets as soon as you can perceive a considerable advantage.

If you start ramping your bets too early ( even if you have a slight advantage, for example if the initial house edge is 0.42 % you technically have a 0.08 % advantage on average on a Hi Lo TC+1), you are going to increase variance along with your RoR which is not good ( considering the fact that you are expected to win only 0.08% of your wager ).

Most APs will find that a 0.5% advantage is enough to start ramping their bets.

A 2% advantage should be enough for you to place your max bet.


-apkevy

[apkevy]

When does the advantage become ours?

In a DD game (double 9-11, no re-splitting), at what running count does the advantage become a players? Playing HiLo, say, after the first round dealt to 3 people, the RC is +1 or +2 (TC is +1) or +3 (TC becomes plus 1.5), when is it in our favor for increasing the bet?

In the 6 deck game, at what TC do we overcome the casino edge. I used to increase my bet as soon as the TC reached plus 1 but another friend argues that with 5 decks remaining, he doubts there is any edge.

This depends on numerous factors.

- What is the initial house edge of your game?
- What card counting system are you using ?
- Are you using playing deviations ? If so, how many and which indexes ?
- Sometimes, casinos will reward table games players with comps (for example a casino will offer 1$ in bonus for every 375$ wagered on table games, resulting in a variance-free 0.26 % bonus in E.V, which reduces initial house edge )

-apkevy

[Norm]

even if you have a slight advantage, for example if the initial house edge is 0.42 % you technically have a 0.08 % advantage on average on a Hi Lo TC+1

Keep in mind that TC=0 advantage is NOT the same as basic strategy advantage.

[apkevy]

Keep in mind that TC=0 advantage is NOT the same as basic strategy advantage.

Can you explain why ? Are you considering playing deviations advantage ? Like standing a 16vs10 on a TC=0 ?

[Norm]

BS advantage is the top-of-the-deck advantage assuming the player uses basic strategy. TC 0 advantage is the advantage held by a card counter in a range of counts near 0, at the start of a round, and allows the player to make playing deviations as cards are dealt and the count changes.