Comps-Does a casino ever discount past play?

[Pokerplayer]

I'm wondering if casinos ever give existing customers a clean slate or discount past small play when evaluating their worth for mailers and other offers.

My particular situation is that I'm a member of a players club for a large store and two years ago put several thousand through a machine and lost a couple hundred. The next month I received about $100 cumulative free play and I basically just cleared the minimum and have only played poker and limited other rated action since.

In hindsight it wasn't the best idea and I haven't given the store play in about a year. If I went back and played a decent amount on my card would I be reevaluated based on this new daily theoretical or would my past play still drag my average down?

If this was a part of the evil empire would decent play at a different location(maybe in a different state) generate offers for the new location or would I maybe be reconsidered as valuable for the old store if they shared a database?

I appreciate any input or info in this thread or by pm.


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[Three]

Each store evaluates your value independently. It is based on recent activity. I don't know the specifics but I can tell you that from experience.

[ZenMaster_Flash]

Comps, at most casinos, expire and are deleted from your "account"
total 6 months after earning them.

As such - if you earn $100 in Comps in January, and earn another $100
in May you will have a sum of $200 in comps, but the first $100 will be
subtracted in June.

Different store have different policies, but this is the most common denominator.

Of additional importance is this: If you are going to play for a short while that
will have a (hidden) deleterious effect on your rating; as Casinos like to look at
your AVERAGE daily action. It is perfectly idiotic but true.

[Pokerplayer]

Zen I understand that concept. I'm trying to figure out if those short plays will ever be deleted from your record or discounted from how they value your future play.

If I don't play for 2 years and I suddenly give a ton of action on the same account, will most stores still average my recent action with my old account action to value my future play?


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[KJ]

Here's the way it works in Vegas concerning mailers. It is a cycle and it varies by casino. This cycle is completely different than the 6 month period at which your comps expire.

Most are on like a 3 or 4 month cycle with a month delay. Some are on a longer cycle up to 6 months (Club Fortune comes to mind). Palms is on a very short one month cycle with one month delay. Your mailer offers there, are basically a reflection of what you played 2 months ago.

Generally for purposes of mailer offers, you hit a single big play and your first mail offers resulting from that big play, two months later will be decent, but as you play those offers, your daily average gets smaller, even if you play reasonably decent 'additional' plays a couple of those days. So the next month, the offers will be down because the average is down. And the next month even more.

But the good news is that when your offers get to the lower end, you just skip playing for a couple months and then hit another huge play and you reset the whole cycle. The difficult part is figuring out the cycle for each location.

[RS]

But the good news is that when your offers get to the lower end, you just skip playing for a couple months and then hit another huge play and you reset the whole cycle. The difficult part is figuring out the cycle for each location.

This is true for most LV properties, at least in my experience. However, not all work the same way (obviously). Waiting a month or two for the cycle to end, to play big again, is what I call "reviving" a card. You milked it for all you could, it died, you wait, then play big and revive it. Easy to do in most LV casinos.

THE evil empire's offers are based on several things. Ultimately it comes down to your ADT (Average Daily Theoretical [loss]). I believe it is based on several ADT's -- a one month ADT, a 3 or 6 month ADT, and a 12 or 18 month ADT....or something along those lines. So basically it's not just your ADT they're looking about, but 3 different ADT's. I've also come to understand they also take your MDV (Market Daily Value) into consideration. This is the opposite of ADT [sort of]. ADT = how much they [theoretically] make from you per visit, while MDV is how much you take from them (ie: Comps, FP, food, rooms, etc.). Naturally, you want to have a high ADT and a low MDV.

But of course, the question is, how long until that cycle is finished (the 12 or 18 month ADT period they're looking back on). LV local stores, the cycle is very low (3-4 months?), as KJ mentioned. For THE evil empire, it is significantly larger, up to a year or a year and a half...perhaps even lifetime. The unfortunate thing (for us) is we don't know how their system works, to the T. Local stores in LV are much easier to figure out. I think the easiest one ever was Ellis Island. I don't remember the figure, but something like $10K coin in every month got $175 in FP and it was always constant. Unfortunately I didn't start playing there until a few months ago, and shortly after I started playing they f****d everything up and everything is different now.

Some evil empire casinos you could do this: play big, get your 2-3 months of offers, wait a few months, play big, get offers...rinse wash repeat. Other casinos, it can't be done (at least not that quickly). Even after 8 months of a card not being played at all, playing it again, received no significant offers.


Offers tend to be specific for your location. If a card has an address in location A and plays at a store in location B, significant offers are not likely. But if the card's address is close to the location of the casino, significant offers are much more likely. So, if you're going to play in a different state, IMO, you should make sure it's semi "local" to you -- within 4 or 5 hour drive.

[Pokerplayer]

Thank you KJ! Three's post was direct and helpful but your detail was exactly what I was looking for.


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[KJ]

THE evil empire's offers are based on several things. Ultimately it comes down to your ADT (Average Daily Theoretical [loss]). I believe it is based on several ADT's -- a one month ADT, a 3 or 6 month ADT, and a 12 or 18 month ADT....or something along those lines. So basically it's not just your ADT they're looking about, but 3 different ADT's. I've also come to understand they also take your MDV (Market Daily Value) into consideration. This is the opposite of ADT [sort of]. ADT = how much they [theoretically] make from you per visit, while MDV is how much you take from them (ie: Comps, FP, food, rooms, etc.). Naturally, you want to have a high ADT and a low MDV.

But of course, the question is, how long until that cycle is finished (the 12 or 18 month ADT period they're looking back on). LV local stores, the cycle is very low (3-4 months?), as KJ mentioned. For THE evil empire, it is significantly larger, up to a year or a year and a half...perhaps even lifetime. The unfortunate thing (for us) is we don't know how their system works, to the T. Local stores in LV are much easier to figure out. I think the easiest one ever was Ellis Island. I don't remember the figure, but something like $10K coin in every month got $175 in FP and it was always constant. Unfortunately I didn't start playing there until a few months ago, and shortly after I started playing they f****d everything up and everything is different now.

Some evil empire casinos you could do this: play big, get your 2-3 months of offers, wait a few months, play big, get offers...rinse wash repeat. Other casinos, it can't be done (at least not that quickly). Even after 8 months of a card not being played at all, playing it again, received no significant offers.

As you figured RS, my comments were more based on local places rather than The Empire or even the other big Strip places. We tend to stick with the places that cater to locals as far as mailers.

Interestingly, we were playing one 'empire' property for a while, Rio, which does cater to the locals a little bit. My big play at Rio generated small amounts mailer offers for a pretty considerable time, like 8-9 months before it fizzled out. There were actually kind of double offers generated one weekly amount at any 'empire' property and a second offer for only Rio (usually a specific day like Thursday). I am not sure why we never renewed the cycle.