For the UK counters ... Does anyone know what type of pen groverners or genting offer on their hand shuffle shoe games with minium 25 pounds tables. I'm considering taking the step playing them next month when relocting. Only real option I have if I want to continue counting locally
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My limited experience of playing shoe-dealt games in Grosvenor Casinos (the one below the Millennium Hotel in Gloucester Road, London) is that it varies from dealer to dealer. I've had 75%/80% in the past and at the other end of the spectrum slightly more than half. When you're offered the cut, drop it in at 75% - if the dealer pulls it out and then cuts off two and a half decks, they're just being ar$ey, as it's unlikely that they'll be acting under an instruction to do this. Show your displeasure by collecting up your chips leaving the table. If there are a load of others playing at the same table, you shouldn't be there anyway - poor pen AND crowded conditions are a cue to find somewhere else, and that's before the variance fairy flies in.Originally Posted by Vandammage
If you want to get into a discussion with the staff over the cut, ("give me at least some chance!"), insist that mathematically the chances of the player winning hands increases in the second half of a shoe, and by getting poor cuts which don't go much beyond the 50% point players aren't getting a fair crack of the whip. Nobody'll tell you you're wrong - ypu are the customer after all.
Don't be afraid to do what I did when visiting a casino in Kyrenia once; due to the dismal cut, and a misunderstanding over what the table mins were, I cashed in all of my chips before playing a single hand and walked out. That left a few mouths hanging open.
Good luck.
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Me thinks it's how you ask for it, and whether you're "cover story" is believed if challenged on why. Card counters here in the UK are as rare as rocking-horse shit.The knowledge of your average dealer and table supervisor regarding card counting tends to be pretty thin. Throw in a couple of low cost deviations from basic to muddy the waters and coming up with some superstitious voodoo to justify "gimme a chance" may not be quite the label you allude to. The UK ain't America.
Having said that, most of the low-end places where this might have worked have now moved over to CSMs, and pushing chunky amounts out at those places that continue to offer shoe-dealt games (and accept the risks of doing so) is likely to have the alarm bells going off. At a fiver, or even a pony a hand, I don't think they're going to treat it in the same way as requests from world famous poker players to deal out the two hands at the baccarat table before a bet is made.
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