Both casinos in my area house edge is .77%. what is the norm? is this too high? is this still beatable? what is the highest house edge that is still beatable? (I know its beatable, but... is it recommended to play this?)
I got professional blackjack by mr. wong but I don't see this mentioned, maybe i'm missing it. Would be nice to have a list of casinos and a comparison of them.
What's important isn't the house edge, which is calculated for a BS player, but how the rules that generated that house edge affect the counter. There are some rules that mean barely anything to the BS player but are the holy grail to a counter and vice versa. For example, insurance. If you aren't counting insurance is meaningless to you, since it's a bad bet all the time, however, it is the most important index play to a card counter.Originally Posted by DickFer
DiskFer,
You said: "Both casinos in my area house edge is .77%"
I play games that are generally anywhere from 0.19% to 0.41%
The only way that you can win against such dreadful rules is if
the penetration is excellent, you have mostly empty tables,
you can play with a 20-1 spread, you have the bankroll to do so,
and the skill to properly employ a strong count Hi-Opt II.
that .77% is for the 6 deck games they offer, the 2 deck % is I think .32% which is much better. Problem is i'm pretty sure they only have ONE two deck game in the entire casino which presents some problems with sitting out, back counting, wonging, etc. (harder to go unnoticed). With my current bankroll if i'm not doing the previously mentioned things my ROR is VERY HIGH, 50% range. I think my best bet is to just avoid these casinos and keep studying and saving for a bigger bankroll. Thanks for replies.
.77% is pretty bad for a 6 deck game. Usually you see this with a 2 deck game. You can get a feel of house edge at various casinos by checking CBJN. Here is link to free sample issue.
http://www.bj21.com/ads/CBJN1401.pdf
Rules are slow to change and this sample issue should give you a feel as to what is out there.
By the way, I just checked the current CBJN and there is no casino that offers a .77% game and a .32% game. I would consider a .32% DD game to be pretty good, but house edge is not the only thing that determines how good a game is.
I must have put something in wrong, I did it again and I'm getting .66% for 6 deck .40% for 2 deck. Not quite as bad but .66% i'm assuming is still a little high but not too horrible. Also thanks for that link, exactly what I was looking for.
I like to have a HE of at most .42%. Important aspects of what is playable are tolerance of the casino to spreading and accepting bigger action with no or little heat, deep penetration, predictably uncrowded conditions, shuffling procedures and game speed.
Although you make comments like this all the time, I think you do bring up a very important and often overlooked point. It is very easy to run the numbers and see what you get for EV, SD and etc. but actual play has all these other constantly fluctuating variables such as the ones that you just mentioned.
Almost any house edge is theoretically beatable. 0.77% is quite poor for 6d, but able to be overcome with a large enough spread. Be prepared for the roller coaster ride of variance along the way though. It helps if penetration is good and you're able to wong in and out.
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