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    Quote Originally Posted by Tthree View Post
    And the risk you run when you pull this crap is what the other person will do to you after you leave the casino.
    So, if someone places a bet on my circle, I might get beaten up if they don't like my play?

    I don't suggest letting strangers back-bet you, and I don't suggest back-betting strangers.

    I don't particularly recommend extorting people, either.
    May the cards fall in your favor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dieter View Post
    So, if someone places a bet on my circle, I might get beaten up if they don't like my play?
    that is not what I said. I said if you try to extort money because you are deluded enough to think it is an advantage play you may find out it was the biggest disadvantage play you ever made. The law may back you up but that doesn't help you much after you end up in the hospital with no money or worse. Some people don't wait for the law to set things right. They have learned throughout life that the law is not usually a help to getting justice and found more reliable ways to seek what they view as justice. Some rich and powerful people will do anything to get their satisfaction. Criminal types find their own form of justice and some good people just won't put up with such disrespect without a response. Most of the time you are probably safe but you can never be sure. Is such a play worth affecting the quality of life for the rest of your life, however short it proves to be, 10% of the time? If you just allow a big player to do his they often the rewards come voluntarily. I have had a $500 chip given to me on more than one occasion. It is usually at the craps table for making them 6 figures or more on my roll but I have had even red chippers share their success when allowed to use my spot. there is no risk there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tthree View Post
    that is not what I said. I said if you try to extort money because you are deluded enough to think it is an advantage play you may find out it was the biggest disadvantage play you ever made. The law may back you up but that doesn't help you much after you end up in the hospital with no money or worse. Some people don't wait for the law to set things right. They have learned throughout life that the law is not usually a help to getting justice and found more reliable ways to seek what they view as justice. Some rich and powerful people will do anything to get their satisfaction. Criminal types find their own form of justice and some good people just won't put up with such disrespect without a response. Most of the time you are probably safe but you can never be sure. Is such a play worth affecting the quality of life for the rest of your life, however short it proves to be, 10% of the time? If you just allow a big player to do his they often the rewards come voluntarily. I have had a $500 chip given to me on more than one occasion. It is usually at the craps table for making them 6 figures or more on my roll but I have had even red chippers share their success when allowed to use my spot. there is no risk there.
    this is quite crazy. First, , I did not write that I will not even return the money bet they put on top of my bet. I actually said that I would split the total win plus return their top bet. That means, the top off better never loses his money. Second, the people who want to top my bet are not going to be gangsters, it's some young punk or folks I can handle. Third, I know how to take pre-cautions (look around before I walk to my car. If I can get to my car, I have my loaded gun under my seat). Fourth, I have tougher connections than the people who try to top my bet. Fifth, sometimes, I might actually enjoy the attempt by anyone to start a fight.

    my point is that people wanting to place a top of bet on my bet are at my mercy as I make the hitting decisions and they are not going to get all the win from my spot, I would get a commission on his win.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZeeBabar View Post
    Second, the people who want to top my bet are not going to be gangsters, it's some young punk or folks I can handle.
    So you can tell by looking at somebody whether or not they are a psychopath? look up the definition of a psychopath. They are some of the most convincing people out there or they are really odd ducks that can't pull off blending.
    Quote Originally Posted by ZeeBabar View Post
    Fifth, sometimes, I might actually enjoy the attempt by anyone to start a fight.
    i guess we got the answer to whether or not Z is trolling with all those absurd questions.

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    Sixth, if you try this in a casino you will be quickly deemed an undesirable and the casino will not show you any level of tolerance in the future. a serious hit to longevity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZenMaster_Flash View Post

    For a few years Foxwoods Casino in CT permitted "backlining", but those days are long gone.
    Good to see you are still around, Flash! Maybe they should have a retirees corner somewhere on the site. I just retired myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tthree View Post
    Sixth, if you try this in a casino you will be quickly deemed an undesirable and the casino will not show you any level of tolerance in the future. a serious hit to longevity.
    I never suggested ripping off anyone. If someone wishes to top off my bet, it still means that I make the decision to hit or stand. Under certain conditions, I will discuss my decision, do the curtesy of telling the person who topped of my bet that I intend to hit or stand or double and if he wishes that I not make a particular decision, then he can offer me a bigger share of money and make the decision for me.

    You go off on a rant about violence and beatings and the rest of the crap as if I was doing something wrong!!!

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    Wrong is in the eyes of the offended party. Whether you think you did something wrong it not has nothing to do with what another thinks. Some take it upon themselves to right a wrong done against them.

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    I would just like to add, integrity pays good dividends in the AP community, if you are well known for skimping locals it is not too much of a stretch to think that you might short pay teammates and look at it as an 'advantage play' where you decide and hide how you split the earnings. No offense to you, but I don't think I would want to work with you. It might be that I'm just cautious, so take it with a grain of salt, but I'm sure others would feel the same way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZeeBabar View Post
    I never suggested ripping off anyone. If someone wishes to top off my bet, it still means that I make the decision to hit or stand. Under certain conditions, I will discuss my decision, do the curtesy of telling the person who topped of my bet that I intend to hit or stand or double and if he wishes that I not make a particular decision, then he can offer me a bigger share of money and make the decision for me.

    You go off on a rant about violence and beatings and the rest of the crap as if I was doing something wrong!!!
    It doesn't take an AP to figure that you're being ripped off when you bet a certain amount and if you lose you lose it all but if you win you only get a partial payment or nothing in addition to what you bet. Like T3 said, you may not see like it that. If you don't communicate the deal clearly emotions are sure to surge.

    I don't think T3s mentions of violence are exaggerated. People have had a gun to their head for less. Sure it might be the macho thing to want a fight, but in situations like this people aren't looking to defend their pride, they're looking to right a perceived wrong. If you get shot for with holding a couple grand I would not be surprised if something of the sort did happen.

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    Zee's at it again. Your awful posts don't even deserve a response.

    If someone bets on your spot, don't screw them over.

    Don't get on someone else's spot without regard to what might happen (ie: If you're getting on Zee's circle).
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    Quote Originally Posted by RollingStoned View Post
    Zee's at it again. Your awful posts don't even deserve a response.

    If someone bets on your spot, don't screw them over.

    Don't get on someone else's spot without regard to what might happen (ie: If you're getting on Zee's circle).
    First, Rollingstoned,you do respond to my posts (despite the fact that they are awful to you and I don't get it but I like it). Second, if you go back and read my original post, I was making a point that playing from behind is not a good idea, that it is possible for some people to refuse to pay the "bet topper" the total amount he was due. I never suggested that the bet topper would lose his original bet, only that he might get less than the total amount. Third, it was all hypothetical because I do not screw over people who want to bet my spot, I politely refuse or tell them I will rent them my spot for some small amount ($25 if they win) before I let them top my bet.

    Now calm down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZeeBabar View Post
    First, Rollingstoned,you do respond to my posts (despite the fact that they are awful to you and I don't get it but I like it). Second, if you go back and read my original post, I was making a point that playing from behind is not a good idea, that it is possible for some people to refuse to pay the "bet topper" the total amount he was due. I never suggested that the bet topper would lose his original bet, only that he might get less than the total amount. Third, it was all hypothetical because I do not screw over people who want to bet my spot, I politely refuse or tell them I will rent them my spot for some small amount ($25 if they win) before I let them top my bet.

    Now calm down.
    Fundamental thought
    $25 rental for use of your spot at 1% advantage requires the "lessee" to place a minimum wager of $2500 in order to break even. Not very appetizing, and very bad for public relations.

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