Riddle me this: Playing behind.

[Orangechip2]

In most jurisdictions the casino is required to pay the guy that as possession of the betting circle. Only that person can signal a hand's decision. However, in many jurisdictions trying this sort of borderline theft may have you learning what street justice means. It could be the last lesson you ever learn.

Everywhere I have played and this situation occurred the floor almost always immediately informed the person shorted that it is not only not their responsibility to do anything other than pay the wagered amount in the circle, but they also rather quickly denied calling upstairs or notifying the casino shift manager on duty. Oh and if you want to complain to gaming about this issue they will also more than likely inform you there are no gaming regulations pertaining to your issue of lost funds.

Side note: I have never seen this issue disputed with an amount over a few red chips.

T3, you are saying you have played in places where it is ok to walk up and put any amount of $ on top of a strangers wager (with their permission) and then you sit back and wait for the dealer to conduct two payouts and even more so, the dealer correctly pay them both out?... Goddammit maybe I’m the one that needs to do my homework.. Who gives a shit if the tables full, if (in your case), because in the rules of the casino I am entitled to the amount of currency that I wager on a spot, no matter who’s spot it is.

I guess this shows that gaming in your region and the region most of play is done in is completely different, although I’m almost certain we are currently residing in the same region. If you like I can pm you the stores that do nothing about a person keeping your currency after you make a wager on their square, instead of hijacking this thread.

[Three]

T3, you are saying you have played in places where it is ok to walk up and put any amount of $ on top of a strangers wager (with their permission) and then you sit back and wait for the dealer to conduct two payouts and even more so, the dealer correctly pay them both out?... Goddammit maybe I’m the one that needs to do my homework.. Who gives a shit if the tables full, if (in your case), because in the rules of the casino I am entitled to the amount of currency that I wager on a spot, no matter who’s spot it is.

Actually I am saying the opposite. The casino is required to pay the person that has possession of the circle. It is up to that person to give you the money. I have had dealers pay me after someone asks me to help them split aces because they are out of money. I make it clear to both the requesting player and the dealer the hand closer to me is mine. The dealers tend to like me and although the dealer was required to pay the other person the dealer payed me. I have rarely seen this done by a dealer.

[Orangechip2]

Oh ok, sorry for the misinterpretation .

[Orangechip2]

If it was max bet time and I was a ploppy who had a $25 bet out and add up a max bet of $2000 on top of my $25. Then, the dealer has a Ten showing and I get a BJ, I would make my AP play, I would tell you that I will hit the BJ unless you agree to split the winnings and give me 50% of the win or $1000. What would you do?

How about a TC of +6, I have $25 and you add $2000 and I get a 6,5. I would turn around and tell you that if you want you can double but if I win, I keep 50%.

I hope you were kidding about this being an advantage play..

[UK-21]

Interesting that playing behind is not permitted in most places in the States. It's a common practice in UK casinos and across Europe. I've never seen any disputes arising from this, as the "behind" player is paid-out directly. It normally happens if: (a) someone who can't get a seat thinks the player knows what they're doing, (b) a player at the table wants to get more money down thinks they're spreading their risk or (c) are degenerate and will bet on anything.

When I play it's common for another player at the table to back my hand - very flattering that someone thinks I know what I'm doing. At my most recent visit to a house of chance, the only other player at my table was surprised, and somewhat miffed, when I got up after just two shoes (having made a modest profit) and called it a night; "What? You're leaving already?". She'd done well backing my hands, although as she was playing roulette and blackjack simultaneously on two adjacent tables, I'm sure it wasn't long before it all ended up in the dealers' chiptrays.

[Cloudstreets7087]

I just flat out asked the dealer last night if someone can bet on another person's hand. He said it was a grey area and generally it would not be accepted. The only time he's seen it is if someone didn't have enough money to double down or split or something and a friend that's sitting with them pitches in the chips.

Overall, I think you guys are right. Don't try it. Just thought it was an interesting idea.

[Dieter]

I hope you were kidding about this being an advantage play..

It's called extortion.

You place a $2000 bet on my spot, behind my $25 bet.

My spot gets a blackjack.

"We" (I) have the option to get paid $3037.50, or I can hit and we probably lose. You pay me $1000, or I hit and ruin "your" $3000 sure thing.

Darn right it's an advantage play.

[Three]

It's called extortion.

You place a $2000 bet on my spot, behind my $25 bet.

My spot gets a blackjack.

"We" (I) have the option to get paid $3037.50, or I can hit and we probably lose. You pay me $1000, or I hit and ruin "your" $3000 sure thing.

Darn right it's an advantage play.

Sometimes I am amazed at what people think they can get away with without an A-kicking or worse. This country is turning into a bunch of pansies. When I was a kid the residents kept the criminals off the street. They didn't need the cops. Today they allow the criminals to run wild and are afraid to work with the cops. I remember a couple guys tried to peddle drugs on a street corner. They were warned to stop or something bad would happen to them. They didn't. A couple days later a car pulled up and rolled the window down like they were going to buy drugs. A large man's hands reached out and seized on of the guys. The car then sped off but the guy kept fighting to get free. He broke the big guys grip and accidentally hit the side of a building at about 30 MPH. A passer by told the other guy they won't be as nice next time. The guy that wasn't in the hospital never returned. People used to take pride in the safety of their neighborhood and each neighborhood had its vigil that took care of the criminal activity without needing the police. I never assume I can treat people with criminal intent or disrespectfully without having consequences looming in my future.

I had a peace loving friend that had a thug keep messing with his property. He found out who it was and it was all I could do to keep him from terminating the threat. Fortunately for the thug he ended up in jail before my friend finished what the other guy started permanently. I have never seen the guy hurt anyone except when someone tried to mug him or threaten a friend of his. He always took care of business in one blow in those situations. Often some of the most tolerant people are that way because they don't know any other way to have a confrontation that doesn't end the other guy quick. Crippling others or worse is not something most like to do but what are you supposed to do when in a confrontation? You don't fight half assed, you either avoid the confrontation and look like a tolerant person or you just end it quick.

[ZenMaster_Flash]

I grew up in a tough neighborhood in N Y C.

It was home to many infamous mobsters.

There was no crime to speak of, because

"STREET JUSTICE" is highly effective.

[Dieter]

Sometimes I am amazed at what people think they can get away with

This is the risk you run when you bet on someone else's hand.

If you don't like opening yourself up to this kind of risk, don't make this kind of play.

[Cloudstreets7087]

This is the risk you run when you bet on someone else's hand.

If you don't like opening yourself up to this kind of risk, don't make this kind of play.

Agreed.

[moo321]

If it was max bet time and I was a ploppy who had a $25 bet out and add up a max bet of $2000 on top of my $25. Then, the dealer has a Ten showing and I get a BJ, I would make my AP play, I would tell you that I will hit the BJ unless you agree to split the winnings and give me 50% of the win or $1000. What would you do?

How about a TC of +6, I have $25 and you add $2000 and I get a 6,5. I would turn around and tell you that if you want you can double but if I win, I keep 50%.

Exactly this.

[Three]

This is the risk you run when you bet on someone else's hand.

If you don't like opening yourself up to this kind of risk, don't make this kind of play.

And the risk you run when you pull this crap is what the other person will do to you after you leave the casino. After beating you to a bloody pulp and getting their money from you they may even get a bonus of whatever portion of your BR you are carrying at the time. Maybe they will let you live. I know that this kind of payback has happened after people tried this at one of the tables I was playing at. I was not involved but when the idiot tried this I thought that doesn't look like anyone I would want to piss off. I even considered not playing at his table when I sat down.

I saw an Asian women try this to one of the casino regular cash cows. She said the money added to her bet was a gift. Well that was impossible to argue effectively and she refused to give it up. The Pit Boss called the cops and she was taken away in handcuffs for theft. She was within the law to keep the payoff but only the giver knew the intention of the money and he said it was not a gift. She refused to give him back his money. It was on a hundred times odds craps table and he had her place a $2K odds wager for him. Later I found out she was arrested and charged with grand theft. I heard the guy dropped the charges after she paid back all the money including the payoff. I think there were some other charge to that were not dropped.

If you are a fan of scavenger plays, A-holes that pull this stuff is why most casinos don't allow them. One of my favorite paybacks is to follow them to their car and next time you see it let air out of the tires. Those beach accessories for 4-wheeling will let the air down while you are not right there. The Staun Tire Deflator is adjustable to whatever you want it to be. Lower the pressure enough and the A-hole wears out his tire's tread as he drives. He will have smooth tires after a relatively short drive. I know a lot of people like to go with the sugar treatment to fry the engine but I think that is a little extreme. I like to not actually damage anything. Leaving the gas cap off with empty sugar package is another story. They have no choice but to tow the car and have the gas tank drained and flushed. When you mess with somebody don't be so foolish as to assume you don't get paid back in like kind.

I know some crooked nose types had been milking a lucrative opportunity in the casino for years and some idiot came and hit it hard burning it forever. The idiot disappeared. Rumor has it they took him fishing for sharks and he fell overboard. They tried to save him but couldn't. That is the same type of person I mentioned earlier. I learned a long time ago it is probably not the best idea to play at one of their tables. North Jersey is their turf. They have their hands in every money making opportunity around. It is best not to mess with their business. They may not be there to mess with you but you do something stupid and you will go to the top of their day's To Do list.