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    Multiple hands with reduced comps ?

    Hi, when I get bored of backcounting I usually go play all on electronic blackjack ( you can insert your player's card in a device so there are no pitboss watching, and there are no avg bets to calculate your Casino Points(1$ bonus to every 750$ wagered) ). Recently I have been asking myself if I am in a situation where let's say there are 3 players at the table, TC is +5. Should I consider playing 2 hands of 75% BUT one of them is not staking casino points? Or stay at 1 hand and get the 100% of my casino points ? ( casino points give me an extra 0.13% in EV)

    I would assume it is better to stay at 1 hand because you get the full casino comps EV ( which has no variance ) but I'm not quite sure as I am new to CC.

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    Do NOT spread to 2 hands at positive True Counts.

    It is a "dead giveaway".

    All the EYE has to do is review how the count

    is always good when you spread to 2 hands.

    Best is to start with 2 hands and drop to 1 when

    The count tanks; BUT do not return to 2 hands

    EVER until the shuffle.

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    Thanks zen, I will stick to 1 hand on positive counts. You are telling me I should play multiple hands on negative counts to eat cards and then drop to 1 hand to play more rounds on +TCs? What if the table minimum is equivalent to my unit value (10$)? Should I still play 2 hands of 10$ on negative counts to eat cards ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZenMaster_Flash View Post
    Do NOT spread to 2 hands at positive True Counts.

    It is a "dead giveaway".

    All the EYE has to do is review how the count

    is always good when you spread to 2 hands.

    Best is to start with 2 hands and drop to 1 when

    The count tanks; BUT do not return to 2 hands

    EVER until the shuffle.
    Also, from what I have learned, it is in my interest to always sit as close as possible from the last box so I can see more cards before making playing decisions(my playing deviations will be more accurate).

    Is sitting at first base a good option too ? If a player is using let's say a 1:2:4:8:16 bet spread with max bets out at +4 TC, and is in a situation where he is sitting at the last box, the TC is +4 ( so he bets 16 units ) and by the time he gets his first card the TC has dropped to +3 ( It will always be more likely to drop than stand/raise ).

    My question is does sitting at first base favors betting accuracy based on TC ? While sitting at last base favors playing decisions ( deviations from BS) ? If I am correct, which one has the best effect on my E.V. ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZenMaster_Flash View Post
    All the EYE has to do is review how the count

    is always good when you spread to 2 hands.
    Hi Zen. Wouldn't the eye notice the same thing when you always drop to one hand when the count is poor? That is assuming the eye is competent.
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    The Pit Critters and the Eye are far less interested in when you are reducing your bets than when you are ramping UP.

    3rd base is always better than 1st base for all purposes, but in shoe games the significance is minimal.

    "Card Eating" is a tactic best employed in mini-team situations.

    My comments RE: playing 2 hands - were all about keeping the heat at bay.


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    Quote Originally Posted by apkevy View Post
    Is sitting at first base a good option too ? If a player is using let's say a 1:2:4:8:16 bet spread with max bets out at +4 TC, and is in a situation where he is sitting at the last box, the TC is +4 ( so he bets 16 units ) and by the time he gets his first card the TC has dropped to +3 ( It will always be more likely to drop than stand/raise ).
    When I was first starting out the though crossed my mind as well. However, assuming the dealing procedure the places I have played are standard (I would think so since they are quite far apart) then sitting first base will also get you your 2nd card last when the count is who knows where.

    I don't think you can gleam up out of thinking this way. At the beginning of the round there is a set count and set number of spots. All the cards come out at the same time (with respect to when you can make decisions. It would be nice if fewer cards were dealt in the round so the true count after the cards come out remained relatively the same, but this effect is called 'card eating' and is not what you were referring to.

    If you play shoe games, it matters very little where you sit. Later is better for the reasons you have already stated, but the gain is not as dramatic as compared to SD and DD.

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