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    ZeeBabar can't imagine earning 50K with a moderate top bet.
    Basically that means if you play 6 days weekly you would need
    to net a daily average profit of about $150.
    If you are a red-chipper it is clearly impossible.
    If you are a green-chipper it is a simple matter requiring
    3 to 5 hrs. of daily play, depending on numerous factors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZenMaster_Flash View Post
    ZeeBabar can't imagine earning 50K with a moderate top bet.
    Basically that means if you play 6 days weekly you would need
    to net a daily average profit of about $150.
    If you are a red-chipper it is clearly impossible.
    If you are a green-chipper it is a simple matter requiring
    3 to 5 hrs. of daily play, depending on numerous factors.
    +1

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZenMaster_Flash View Post
    ZeeBabar can't imagine earning 50K with a moderate top bet.
    Basically that means if you play 6 days weekly you would need
    to net a daily average profit of about $150.
    If you are a red-chipper it is clearly impossible.
    If you are a green-chipper it is a simple matter requiring
    3 to 5 hrs. of daily play, depending on numerous factors.
    ZM_Flash, hearing you talk in terms of averaging x amount per day surprises me. Obviously you know that's not how it works. But for the sake of others that may not, let's not even begin to paint such a picture. The actual wins (and losses) come in bunches. The most extreme case from my own experience, was a couple years ago, which happened to be my personal best year, when I won 115K in about 5 weeks and basically was even for the remainder of the year. Now if you want to think in terms of EV generated, that works better on a daily basis. I try to generate about $1500 in EV a week or average about $250 per day that I play.


    Quote Originally Posted by ZeeBabar View Post
    KJ, I doubt anyone else living outside of Las Vegas could win as much as you do while limiting your max bet to $300-$400. Aggressively wonging out is difficult when a casino has just 2-3 tables of 6 decks and 1-2 tables of DD because there is no other casino within 45 minutes. What I admire most is the ability to count down multiple tables since I can't even do two, overwhelmed as I am with my own hand, keeping the running count, converting to TC and calculating next bet while looking out for heat.

    how many hours a week do you do in BJ related activity? Can't imagine averaging $50k plus while keeping a max bet under $300.
    Well Zee, the Vegas thing didn't occur by accident. It isn't just a happen-stance that I am in Vegas. I picked up my life and re-located 2500 miles to Vegas, so that I would have these opportunities, with many casinos and tables available to me. And I have designed my play and attack specifically for that circumstance and to be able to play for as long as possible.

    I do not measure my blackjack play in terms of time, as many players do. That just doesn't work for me. I measure my results in terms of rounds plays and whatever time it takes to do that, so be it. When playing on crowded days and crowded conditions, obviously that will require more time.

    But I try to focus on getting in as many rounds and more importantly rounds at an advantage or rounds with a positive count, in as short a time frame as possible. My focus on speed is a little different than many players. Many players focus on speed because it increases hourly win rate. I focus on speed more because it allows my to get in and out of the game quicker, which means less time for anyone to notice and evaluate my play.

    But in general, I usually devote about 5-6 hours to blackjack a day, 6 days a week. This is down considerably from just a few years ago. During my first couple years in Vegas, I was devoting 8-10 hours a day, 7 days a week. So if you look at my results in terms of EV generated I am earning about the same EV per year from blackjack (70-80K per year), but now generating that EV in a bout half the time, while still playing the same well tolerated levels. That is where I have really made leaps and bounds forward and I am pretty pleased with that.
    Last edited by KJ; 06-06-2015 at 08:55 AM.

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    KJ, its impressive. 5-6 hours a day appears doable but you probably do not do the same shift. Do you decide you are going to play during the day for a week, evenings the next week and late night the following or do you mix it up as you feel each day?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZeeBabar View Post
    KJ, its impressive. 5-6 hours a day appears doable but you probably do not do the same shift. Do you decide you are going to play during the day for a week, evenings the next week and late night the following or do you mix it up as you feel each day?
    yep, ya gotta mix up shifts, and even then, you will still see some of the same dealers and pit and although it isn't as obvious, I suspect surveillance. My partner and I, schedule that way. Optimal spreading would probably be 1/3 days, 1/3 evenings and 1/3 overnight shifts. But we don't do it that way. I have become spoiled and lazy. I don't really like playing evenings and especially overnights and so the majority of my schedule is daytime play, more like a regular job than most blackjack AP's. We mix in just a minimal amount of evenings and overnights, just to mix it up. I am talking like 3-4 overnight's per month, and I just hate that period. It screws up my whole week.

    I say that I have become lazy in this regard, but in reality, I am monitoring the situation. As long as my play continues to be well tolerated, I am afforded the luxury of being 'lazy' and settling in to a somewhat routine schedule. When I see signs that is changing, I will make the appropriate changes as well, even if that means playing more of a schedule that I would prefer not to.

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    I play on average about 1-2 times a week, for 1-2 hours at a time...so I guess I'm semi-pro.

    The reasons why I don't play more:

    1) I'm married LOL
    2) Even though I'm currently not working right now, I start my next gig next week!
    3) I'm just getting started playing, so I'm trying to scale up as far as my playing time and bankroll are concerned.

    Also, I live in Vegas as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by koreancowboy View Post
    I play on average about 1-2 times a week, for 1-2 hours at a time...so I guess I'm semi-pro.
    This is interesting.
    Going by your betting strategy thread, you are actually the exact opposite of a pro (or semi pro, or 1/3 pro).
    But if you hang around here and listen to some of the real pros that generously and selflessly offer their advice you might be able to turn that around.
    Good luck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bjarg View Post
    This is interesting.
    Going by your betting strategy thread, you are actually the exact opposite of a pro (or semi pro, or 1/3 pro).
    But if you hang around here and listen to some of the real pros that generously and selflessly offer their advice you might be able to turn that around.
    Good luck.
    I suspect this is a joke account. everything he has said has been a little bit silly. He claims to be a seasoned gambler but seemed to be 'surprised' that his unique betting system was actually just a Martingale.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Avincow View Post
    I suspect this is a joke account. everything he has said has been a little bit silly. He claims to be a seasoned gambler but seemed to be 'surprised' that his unique betting system was actually just a Martingale.
    Are you talking to me?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bjarg View Post
    This is interesting.
    Going by your betting strategy thread, you are actually the exact opposite of a pro (or semi pro, or 1/3 pro).
    How so (be specific)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by koreancowboy View Post
    How so (be specific)?
    A professional blackjack player is somebody that plays the game with a positive expectacion.
    He does so by using techniques that will allow him to overcome the games inherent house advantage.
    The most popular and commonly used is card counting.
    From your posts one can easily deduce you dont do any of this and that you play a minus EV game.
    In other words, you are a gambler, which by definition is the opposite of a professional.
    I hope that is specific enough for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bjarg View Post
    A professional blackjack player is somebody that plays the game with a positive expectacion.
    He does so by using techniques that will allow him to overcome the games inherent house advantage.
    The most popular and commonly used is card counting.
    From your posts one can easily deduce you dont do any of this and that you play a minus EV game.
    In other words, you are a gambler, which by definition is the opposite of a professional.
    I hope that is specific enough for you.
    So, because I don't count cards, I'm not a professional?

    I thought that winning sessions and increasing my bankroll nearly every time I played was the whole point of playing (although I'll probably never play full-time).

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    Quote Originally Posted by koreancowboy View Post
    So, because I don't count cards, I'm not a professional?

    I thought that winning sessions and increasing my bankroll nearly every time I played was the whole point of playing (although I'll probably never play full-time).
    No, you are not a professional because you dont play the game with a positive expectation.
    If you keep doing what you are doing eventually you WILL lose it all.

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