Does anyone here use Uston APC?

[Blitzkrieg]

Hey BK;
rmlaw and I have had several discussions on this very topic. I would consider him far more schooled than me at this count. But I would say 30-45 sec is impressive. For me, the substantial increase in PE was not worth giving up the consistency of BC for large bet purposes. But I'd concur, based on sims and actual play, it would give you 10% to 15% better winrate in single deck over the long term. Since my "take" is limited there is only so much my mind needs to "take".

30-45 seconds is alright but I'm not satisfied even though I have seen gradual improvement over the past few days. At that speed I cannot even begin to think about taking Uston's strategy into the casino. Now if I can manage to count UAPC in 16-25 seconds or faster, I will probably have a good shot at making it happen in the casino. I've decided to give this strategy a try since Ken said in his book Million Dollar Blackjack, that the stronger counting systems tend to make more money at the game. In the short term it probably isn't going to make a huge difference in my win/loss rate because I am not a full-time/everyday player and I don't care so much about that at this point in time.

[Blitzkrieg]

Wrong. I went from Hi-Lo, to Zen, to Halves, back to Hi-Lo, and now at Halves for LIFE.

If you keep pissing off casino staff maybe the Halves for Life your using will be the End of your Halves for Life in that your hobby will be cut short and halved for life ZK.

[RoadWarrior]

If you keep pissing off casino staff maybe the Halves for Life your using will be the End of your Halves for Life in that your hobby will be cut short and halved for life ZK.

Zenking is a great player stop the nonsense !!

[Frank Galvin]

Blitzkrieg, if you are seriously interested in making UAPC work for you, but quicker and easier to implement at the tables, run a Google search for Victor APC (slight variant from UAPC), with 3-4 articles available on Arnold Snyder's website. It made life simpler than UAPC, with nearly identical stats (bc, pe, and ic). Created my own set of index numbers from CVData, as well as betting ramp based upon UAPC as base through CVData multi-tracking and Call CVCX.

Just some friendly suggestions. Let me know what questions you might have if you decide to pursue that variant.

[MickeyMac]

22 seconds seems fairly quick. After several hours with working with the RC I have been able to do it in under 30 seconds but am still too slow. How long did it take you to be able to count down the deck in 22 sec?

Blitz -
I really don't remember, but somewhere around 50 hours.

[Blitzkrieg]

Zenking is a great player stop the nonsense !!

Nonsense?

[Blitzkrieg]

Blitz -
I really don't remember, but somewhere around 50 hours.

Ok MickeyMac thanks. I plan on hitting that mark soon. There are several different ways I'm working on getting faster with UAPC.

[ZenMaster_Flash]

A tiny piece of unsolicited advice.

Counting ALL of the ranks, as you must with UAPC

Is a mistake, not because of "speed" but because

fatigue and errors are always with us.

There are counts like Hi-Opt II or AOII

Which are just as strong and way easier

to utilize without fatigue or errors.

[KJ]

I got a kick out of the title of this thread, because if memory serves me correctly, Uston didn't even use the Uston APC!

[DSchles]

He used the Revere APC. Uston commissioned to have a count created with his name on it, for commercial purposes, and it was marketed by Stanley (Sludikoff) Roberts, who, crook that he was, kept virtually all the proceeds from the sales at $97 per.

Don

[mofungoo]

I remember trying HILO just to see how much faster it was but it didn't get me any extra speed.

I am sure with enough practice I could be significantly faster with HILO but I can keep up with the fastest dealers out there so why do I need to be faster.

It's not about keeping up with the dealer, it's about not looking like you are counting while at the table. I don't stare at the table and follow the cards, I turn my head at the proper time then count the cards as my eyes sweep by. When wonging I can walk up to a table covered with cards and grab the count in a couple of seconds as I am sitting down.

Also, as I get tired my counting speed slows down. Before I set foot in a casino I count down a deck in the parking lot. If the best I can do is 20 sec., I'm going home for the night.

[seriousplayer]

If so, how fast can you count down a complete single deck using this counting method?

I never used Uston APC before but anyone who master the Uston APC full indices and with side count of Aces close to a perfect a perfect game of blackjack. Assuming you don't make any errors but it will be hard to do with Uston APC.

[ZenMaster_Flash]

Serious player said:

" … Uston APC full indices and side count of Aces close to a perfect a perfect game."

Perfection ? No. Not close; but very good; about on par with Hi-Opt II and AO II.

If you doubt that - I suggest looking at the sim'd comparisons in "Modern Blackjack."

I think that that is in the (free) volume I, but I could be wrong.

F Y I Hi-Opt II "comes out on top." Ask Norm.

With that said, the "Tarzan Count" and The "Gordon Count" are,

literally, (not figuratively) perfect in that their wagering and playing choices

correlate to those made by Combinatorial Analyses at 0.99 !