Rounds per hour

[stopgambling]

it is hard to get those condition (200+ hands /hr.) At 200+ hands /hr , i find that i am making a few errors every hour or so ,and that is with hi lo. Almost every week for 10-20 hours a week for 2.5 years .Also the few months that i played for 40-60 hours a week ,that should pit me well over 1000 hours. Maybe my increased errors comes from not being able to play H.U. for well over a year .....

[Frank Galvin]

ZKG - You interchange your terminology. You insist that you are referring to "rounds" per hour, but when you elaborate, such as the following, you intertwine "hands" per hour:

"Of course in a perfect world there is limited tables, but I tend to do well with strategy and like I said all that miscellaneous stuff already took my 240 hands an hour and dropped it to 200 to be conservative. I'm sure there will also be many times where I get around 300 an hour and sometimes 100 an hour so it will all average out and I believe 200 is highly attainable."

Just pointing out the reason why I inserted my perception.

I can understand how theoretically you could get in 100-150+ rounds per hour, and in excess of 200 hands per hour (you assert "300 an hour"), if including a competent, fast dealer and 1-2 (maybe 3) players with no side bets, all counters making quick betting and playing deviation/index decisions, with clean bets that a dealer can quickly pay off 3:2 blackjack naturals.

Trust me, I am not attacking your credibility nor integrity, just explaining my reasoning for questioning whether you are referencing "hands" or "rounds" per hour.

[Stealth]

Im referring to rounds per hour. Im doing both because im a pure wong player. Rounds observed while backcounting and rounds played once I jump in with two hands

I can guarantee that the rounds you see backcounting are not being played at the rates (maybe 60 HPH) you are using. In fact, if you are backcounting then there are likely two people at the table before you wong in. Now there are three of you and 300 HPH is not happening.

And unless you are on a different planet that I am, you do not have the luxury of picking and choosing tables to backcount at the level you suggested. If you are backcounting and get to wong in on more than 4 tables an hour you are really doing well and are at a good store. Four tables wonged at +2 will get you about 50-70 rounds per hour unless you play through to the top of the next shoe.

Sorry, but this whole dialog is not well founded in reality. Respectfully, my advice is that you really need to slow down and rethink what you are doing.

[Three]

I can guarantee that the rounds you see backcounting are not being played at the rates (maybe 60 HPH) you are using. In fact, if you are backcounting then there are likely two people at the table before you wong in. Now there are three of you and 300 HPH is not happening.

And unless you are on a different planet that I am, you do not have the luxury of picking and choosing tables to backcount at the level you suggested. If you are backcounting and get to wong in on more than 4 tables an hour you are really doing well and are at a good store. Four tables wonged at +2 will get you about 50-70 rounds per hour unless you play through to the top of the next shoe.

Sorry, but this whole dialog is not well founded in reality. Respectfully, my advice is that you really need to slow down and rethink what you are doing.

Since people have complained about the length of my posts I pared mine down to a precious few sentences but this is exactly my sentiment in post #23.

[NotEnoughHeat]

I hate sitting at a table with someone who has to show the dealer every one of his hands and then slowly slowly scratch the table with the upturned cards and say I need a small one. It's a pet peeve of mine.

Sorry to revive a inactive thread with such little content, but I felt like this would be my only opportunity publicly to rant about something.

It annoys me like nothing else when the dealer just sits there, talking a player and not dealing the cards!!! I don't mind making a little chit chat with the dealer or other players, even if it does slow down the game a bit. However, if people are talking (especially the dealer) I expect them to keep playing/dealing. I'm sure the other day the pit boss saw the annoyed look on my face when a dealer stopped dealing completely to answer a player's question about BS. It isn't that difficult to deal and talk, sure you might be a bit slower, but having a conversation shouldn't preclude you from being able to push cards out.

[Bigdaddy]

Sorry to revive a inactive thread with such little content, but I felt like this would be my only opportunity publicly to rant about something.

It annoys me like nothing else when the dealer just sits there, talking a player and not dealing the cards!!! I don't mind making a little chit chat with the dealer or other players, even if it does slow down the game a bit. However, if people are talking (especially the dealer) I expect them to keep playing/dealing. I'm sure the other day the pit boss saw the annoyed look on my face when a dealer stopped dealing completely to answer a player's question about BS. It isn't that difficult to deal and talk, sure you might be a bit slower, but having a conversation shouldn't preclude you from being able to push cards out.

I had the same experience a few weeks ago at the Mirage DD game. It was a slow Friday morning and I was playing heads up. The dealer kept pausing between hands to tell me some BS Vegas story. I smiled and engaged him to be nice, but c'mon - roll the cards man! We must have been playing at the rate of 80 hands per hour when it should have been 200 or higher.This guy must be an old-time (tenured) dealer, because he obviously wasn't concerned about the hands-per-hour metric and how that might affect his performance evaluation with the casino.

[ZenKinG]

I can guarantee that the rounds you see backcounting are not being played at the rates (maybe 60 HPH) you are using. In fact, if you are backcounting then there are likely two people at the table before you wong in. Now there are three of you and 300 HPH is not happening.

And unless you are on a different planet that I am, you do not have the luxury of picking and choosing tables to backcount at the level you suggested. If you are backcounting and get to wong in on more than 4 tables an hour you are really doing well and are at a good store. Four tables wonged at +2 will get you about 50-70 rounds per hour unless you play through to the top of the next shoe.

Sorry, but this whole dialog is not well founded in reality. Respectfully, my advice is that you really need to slow down and rethink what you are doing.

I guess the biggest question, is when im walking around trying to find a table to backcount, does that count towards the hours? Like if I put 200 rounds per hour in CVCX is that considering the time Im walking around trying to find a table? Or is those 200 hours that I input in CVCX only applied to when Im actually playing? Im guessing it involves all time scouting and trying to find tables, so maybe you guys were all right, you cant play at 200+ per hour on average because it takes into effect all variables and not just when you're back counting.

[Bodarc]

It includes the time you are counting tables but betting zero so yes it does include the time spent back counting.

[moo321]

Thanks for not answering my question.

This is why people don't answer your questions. Hostility aimed at someone who gave you a very good response.

[KJ]

It includes the time you are counting tables but betting zero so yes it does include the time spent back counting.

If ZK, was including rounds spent back counting as part of his 200/rounds per hour, well, I failed to understand that. I personally, have never liked, or used that approach. When I say, I play x amount of hands or rounds, like 80,000 rounds a year, that is the number of rounds that I actually have money on the felt, it doesn't include back counting.

I know there are some that will say, back counting is like playing with a $0 bet, but I don't buy that. I can't win money with a $0 bet. I only count rounds that I have an actual monetary wager on as rounds played.

Rounds seen, or back counted is something else. It's a supplemental thing, a tool. It allows you to win more on the rounds you actually do play, but it isn't rounds played (to me). Similarly, I don't count time traveling to games. I mean, I can't play the games if I don't get there, but time traveling is not time playing (to me).

[ZenKinG]

If ZK, was including rounds spent back counting as part of his 200/rounds per hour, well, I failed to understand that. I personally, have never liked, or used that approach. When I say, I play x amount of hands or rounds, like 80,000 rounds a year, that is the number of rounds that I actually have money on the felt, it doesn't include back counting.

I know there are some that will say, back counting is like playing with a $0 bet, but I don't buy that. I can't win money with a $0 bet. I only count rounds that I have an actual monetary wager on as rounds played.

Rounds seen, or back counted is something else. It's a supplemental thing, a tool. It allows you to win more on the rounds you actually do play, but it isn't rounds played (to me). Similarly, I don't count time traveling to games. I mean, I can't play the games if I don't get there, but time traveling is not time playing (to me).

Well I think you're wrong in that assessment because betting 0 at a negative expectation is saving money. You cant make money in negative expectation so to think you're getting closer to N0 by betting while in a negative expectation is just plain foolish. N0 only starts to count when you're actually playing hands that have a positive expectation at least thats how I view it and I believe many others do to.

I also want to say and want to retract my last post about time traveling between games counts towards the 200 rounds an hour. After thinking about it more clearly, its obvious that it WOULDN'T count towads the rounds per hour because im physically not there. So we agree on that point. And because of that I believe 200 n hour still applies to what I have been saying all along that its achievable in the realm of games that I encounter when I do play.

[ZeeBabar]

"Betting $0 is saving money" and staying home betting $0 is also saving money so I guess you can count rounds played for 24 hours.

[ohbehave]

Those are two very different concepts that need to be understood. One you are sitting out all rounds, and the other sitting out only neutral and negative rounds. For an AP, sitting out all rounds is losing money and sitting out neutral/neg is saving money.