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[Freightman]

Hit 17, no surrender! WTF! Don't be a fool.

Deep pen makes up for many transgressions. Don't count any game out before you've simmed it against other readily available games.

[Jabberwocky]

Deep pen makes up for many transgressions. Don't count any game out before you've simmed it against other readily available games.

But deep pen is notoriously difficult to find. To make up for it, surrender with S17 are necessary for a limited bankroll. That's all I was trying to get across.

[Freightman]

But deep pen is notoriously difficult to find. To make up for it, surrender with S17 are necessary for a limited bankroll. That's all I was trying to get across.

I walked into a particular sweatshop in Vegas a while back. The place was dead, except the packed dd$25 table. No other $25 was available. No logic to the fact thatI sat down, for shits and giggles, at a $5 table and got a heads up 6d shoe game. Game was no surrender h17 with average 5.5-5.75 dealt.

They were all over me to get a players card etc - took a grilling about where I was from - where I played - did I have a fore skin. Can't recall anymore, but may have been my best session at vegas on that trip. Never did get the players card.

The only local game available to me, other than CSM, is an 8 decker with average 1.5 cut, though house protocol is 2.0. The game $25 min, h17, rsa, does offer surrender. I was in for about 3500 with about 6 or 7 hands left. The rookie dealer gave about 7.5/8. I finished the shoe at a (modest) profit.

As far as I'm concerned - deep pen makes up for numerous transgressions - though I sure like a surrender game. Ironically, there is no s17 in my locale, and for that matter, have never played s17 anywhere. I don't think of it as any big deal.

[Avincow]

Unless you're close to Maryland/Pennsylvania, you are going to find way more good h17 games than s17. I can name more places that give consistent 5.5/6 on h17 than I can for places that give 5/6 on s17. ($25 min or less)