Why are stations casino in Las Vegas able to offer lower limits on their 2 deck game?

[seriousplayer]

I was look at CBJN and I see that almost all stations casinos in Las Vegas was able to offer double deck blackjack games with low limit compare to other casinos. For example, in LVH the table limits for Double Deck H17, DAS, RSA is $25 but in station casinos with the same game and rules the table limit is $5. Since there is very little that APs don't know. Why are the station casino in Las Vegas able to offer those games with low table limit and still make the game profitable?

Are those games in station casino traps for counters?

[21forme]

They cater to the locals and are pretty sweaty to those with brain function.

[BJGenius007]

I was look at CBJN and I see that almost all stations casinos in Las Vegas was able to offer double deck blackjack games with low limit compare to other casinos. For example, in LVH the table limits for Double Deck H17, DAS, RSA is $25 but in station casinos with the same game and rules the table limit is $5. Since there is very little that APs don't know. Why are the station casino in Las Vegas able to offer those games with low table limit and still make the game profitable?

Because Santa Claus is banking those station casinos.

[Shadowless]

Station properties raise the table minimums from $5 to $10-15 on nights and weekends, though they'll sometimes have one single deck $5 table open which is always full and will grandfather you if they raise the minimum.

I've been told by a source that Station properties got rid of pit bosses, so there are no longer positions between floor supervisor and shift manager.
Floor supervisors can't bar players and have to report to the shift manager or table games manager of a suspected advantage player.

The choke point for Station properties starts at black action or about $100-150 average bet in greens.
Also, floor supervisors at Stations are required to notify the shift manager or table games manager if a player buys in more than about $3000-5000 (total and/or at once).

Their strategy is to identify and bar skilled players who abuse their $5 minimums (abuse is defined by betting reds on negative/neutral counts then spreading as if your minimum bet was green/black on positive counts).
If you play their $25-50 minimum DD tables, you should be fine as long as you keep your spread under 1-6. If you spread to two hands, you can get away with a higher spread since it doesn't look as much. However, you'll need an act and will have to often play two hands at minimums and not just positive counts.
Keep your sessions under an hour and you'll be fine, or until you see a floor phone someone about your play or bets.

Penetration is set by notch, but the slit on the notch is about a quarter deck wide, so penetration can vary between 62.5% (1.25/2) to 75% (1.5/2).

[RS]

It's profitable because they don't let (or try not to let ) AP's play the game.

Plus, if you just look at the regular players there, you'll understand WHY it's profitable.

[hitA7]

Station properties raise the table minimums from $5 to $10-15 on nights and weekends, though they'll sometimes have one single deck $5 table open which is always full and will grandfather you if they raise the minimum.

I've been told by a source that Station properties got rid of pit bosses, so there are no longer positions between floor supervisor and shift manager.
Floor supervisors can't bar players and have to report to the shift manager or table games manager of a suspected advantage player.

The choke point for Station properties starts at black action or about $100-150 average bet in greens.
Also, floor supervisors at Stations are required to notify the shift manager or table games manager if a player buys in more than about $3000-5000 (total and/or at once).

Their strategy is to identify and bar skilled players who abuse their $5 minimums (abuse is defined by betting reds on negative/neutral counts then spreading as if your minimum bet was green/black on positive counts).
If you play their $25-50 minimum DD tables, you should be fine as long as you keep your spread under 1-6. If you spread to two hands, you can get away with a higher spread since it doesn't look as much. However, you'll need an act and will have to often play two hands at minimums and not just positive counts.
Keep your sessions under an hour and you'll be fine, or until you see a floor phone someone about your play or bets.

Penetration is set by notch, but the slit on the notch is about a quarter deck wide, so penetration can vary between 62.5% (1.25/2) to 75% (1.5/2).

This evalution is VERY accurate!...I did milk (e.g. abuse) their low minimum tables for quite a while...until earlier this year. I have fond memories of P.S....i still go back for the oyster bar (at about 7am when I can actually be seated and eat without the 2-hr wait)

[ArpTheFuture]

One of the venues has a single table offering an S of 115-120 (using ho2 no ASC) as we speak. I was in shock when i stumbled upon it. Ive hit it a few times so far but my 1-5 stays under blacks.

Its not in newest CBJ but its out there

[max85]

Wow
please give me a hint

[Aslan]

Station casinos have a customer base that is comprised primarily of locals who would not play larger limits as a rule. Many of the locals are smart about favorable game rules even if the vsst majority are not APs. Ststions don't have the same overhead as some of the Strip casinos, as well. Still, they operate on a tight margin and know these games are very attractive, so they tend to provide strong surveillance.

[moo321]

Most customers are morons. That's how blackjack exists at all.

The Strip casinos don't have to offer $25 DD, they could offer $5. But they'd rather make a lot more money, and keep out the riffraff. It's only in really high-tax jurisdictions like West Virginia and Ohio that the casinos absolutely have to only have $10-15+ games, because their margins are too low.

[Aslan]

Most customers are morons. That's how blackjack exists at all.

The Strip casinos don't have to offer $25 DD, they could offer $5. But they'd rather make a lot more money, and keep out the riffraff. It's only in really high-tax jurisdictions like West Virginia and Ohio that the casinos absolutely have to only have $10-15+ games, because their margins are too low.

Vegas locals are a lot smarter than WVA or Ohio gamblers. $25 and up may serve to keep tie fiffraff out, but the main reason is to win more money The plush surroundings of the Strip casinos alwo serves to keep the riffraff out, but they still come nad they still play, even for $25, unless you define riffraff as $5 players. Borgata has always had a $5 game and plenty of $25 games. Depending on the time of day, you can play $15 games at the Bellagio and the Venetian, probably not the Wynn. The push to high limit games is mainly about the money. We all know that even for a card counter the BR of the player must be AT MINIMUM 1,000 times the minimum bet, All the house is doing is "high rolling" the players, that is, forcing them (most of them) to play at an amount that they cannot afford to play at if they understood the variance of the game. The house is properly bankrolled, the player is not-- who do you think will win, even if it was an even money bet? But of course it isn't. I do remember a story about the old Stardust. They had a special gaming room which was off to the side where floor employees would usher "riffraff" coning in off the street. It was a part of the casino never seen by the usual customer. The Horseshoe in Baltimore is constructed along the same line with the street level floor featuring CSMs and $15 tables. Upstairs which is reached from the garage or by going up the escalators has the higher priced games which are not attractive to the majority of the people walking in from the neighborhoods.

[ArpTheFuture]

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