Need help with splitting strategy in a 2-deck game

[DSchles]

Have to eat crow on this one. Doesn't happen often. Only half right on this. The +3 index is, indeed, the same for Hi-Lo. Wong's index is incorrect. It should be lower. But, somewhat surprisingly, at least to me, the CV-Data generated index for DD is -1. As this is the correct BS play, I thought it might be 0 (7,7, and 8 all have 0 values in Hi-Lo). Even so, the expectations for the two plays don't appear to be sufficiently different to warrant such a difference. I learned something.

Don

[DSchles]

We have talked about volatility before. Take a look at the graph for 7,7 v. 8, 6-deck, DAS, S17: https://card-counting.com/cvcxonlineviewer3.htm
Notice how very close the two lines are over a rather wide interval of true counts. What this means is that whether you use the correct index of +3 or 0 or 2 or whatever, it hardly matters. The play simply isn't very volatile, and the e.v.s don't change a whole lot no matter what the count (over a reasonable interval).

Now, look at a different play, such as doubling 10 v. Ace. Do you see how very different (volatile) that play is, compared to the split? Each true count makes a considerable difference in e.v.

Bottom line: Use anything from -1 to +5 for splitting 7,7 v. 8, DD to 6-deck, and the difference won't buy you two hot dogs on the Boardwalk in A.C. for the rest of your life.

Don

[Aslan]

Don, the link is not working for me.

I switched browsers and it works fine.

[Three]

NOrm upped security on many of his sites. They don't work for antiquated equipment that can't update their browser software because the new software is incompatible with their computer.

[Aslan]

NOrm upped security on many of his sites. They don't work for antiquated equipment that can't update their browser software because the new software is incompatible with their computer.

I was running Opera browser, which I believe is up to date, but I have noticed that more than one site is incompatible with Opera, configuring themselves to run with Explorer, Chrome, and Firefox mainly. Thanks for the heads up anyway.

[Bigdaddy]

We have talked about volatility before. Take a look at the graph for 7,7 v. 8, 6-deck, DAS, S17: https://card-counting.com/cvcxonlineviewer3.htm
Notice how very close the two lines are over a rather wide interval of true counts. What this means is that whether you use the correct index of +3 or 0 or 2 or whatever, it hardly matters. The play simply isn't very volatile, and the e.v.s don't change a whole lot no matter what the count (over a reasonable interval).

Now, look at a different play, such as doubling 10 v. Ace. Do you see how very different (volatile) that play is, compared to the split? Each true count makes a considerable difference in e.v.

Bottom line: Use anything from -1 to +5 for splitting 7,7 v. 8, DD to 6-deck, and the difference won't buy you two hot dogs on the Boardwalk in A.C. for the rest of your life.

Don

Thanks Don - this clears it up. I can now see why the Wong charts are challenged on this hand - it's just too close a call at a wide range of TCs. Anyway, the reason I'm so interested in the proper DD strategy is from what I learned from your SCORE charts; i.e., that DD is the only game worth playing if you're not going to back count a 6-deck game (I'm not ready for that yet). These days, single deck is no where to be found, but you can still find some DD games regionally and also in Vegas at higher table minimums.

[Three]

DD games are often watched closely and said to be counter traps used to ID AP's. In Vegas this is said more often but I am not speaking from experience.

[Aslan]

DD games are often watched closely and said to be counter traps used to ID AP's. In Vegas this is said more often but I am not speaking from experience.

Other than hit and run (who hits and runs a DD game?) I have found that heavy camo is needed to play a Vegas DD game. When you are winning and not using camo, it gets so hot you have to play in your skivvies. But don't worry, if it gets too hot someone will come and escort you out to cooler temps.

[Bigdaddy]

Other than hit and run (who hits and runs a DD game?) I have found that heavy camo is needed to play a Vegas DD game. When you are winning and not using camo, it gets so hot you have to play in your skivvies. But don't worry, if it gets too hot someone will come and escort you out to cooler temps.

Agree - gotta be careful - still working on my act - haven't had a problem yet - knock on wood...

[Aslan]

Thanks Don - this clears it up. I can now see why the Wong charts are challenged on this hand - it's just too close a call at a wide range of TCs. Anyway, the reason I'm so interested in the proper DD strategy is from what I learned from your SCORE charts; i.e., that DD is the only game worth playing if you're not going to back count a 6-deck game (I'm not ready for that yet). These days, single deck is no where to be found, but you can still find some DD games regionally and also in Vegas at higher table minimums.

Higher table minimums! If it's something you like to play, it's always a higher table minimum. In DD that means $25 or more, although I have found some $15 games. Don't get me started. Casinos are always pushing the envelope.
I hate whoever invented the $15 game. It should go $5, $10, $20, $50, $100. It all started when some accountant in Vegas said, "Hey, let's see of we can squeeze $5 more dollars out of these suckers. Make the minimum bet $15 when it gets a little busy."

In a $15 game, if you're not prepared for it: "Let's see, my betting ramp says I need to bet 7 units...uhh...7 times $15 is... let's see.. seven 5s are 35, and seven 1s are 7...plus 3 is 10...plus the 5 from before... 105. Okay, the bet is $105." I just don't like fussing with $15 bets. Maybe it's just me.

Excuse me for venting.

[ZeeBabar]

" the difference won't buy you two hot dogs on the Boardwalk in A.C. for the rest of your life. ".... Anyone know what hot dogs cost in AC???????

[Aslan]

It's a -EV play.