Not ever red chipping

**RCJH** · 05-24-2018, 09:09 PM

The thread about marginal counters got me thinking on a tangent.

I started as a red chipper. I improved. I became a green chipper. And I got BO'd, half shoed, flat bet, etc.

I do think there's truth that casinos don't care as long as you're red chipping, but they are watching. When they realize you're good AND funded, that's when they take action.

That said, if I had it to do over, I might be persuaded to just practice and save my money, and not ever red chip. It seems like people (myself included) burn their name for meaningless stakes.

**hitthat16** · 05-24-2018, 09:15 PM

My usual stores finally caught me when I graduated to green and light black. I think this is the level at which most back offs occur. I think the casino is more concerned about someone with a max bet of $200-$500 than they are over someone with bets higher than that.

**Freightman** · 05-24-2018, 09:20 PM

I red chipped well past the time I could have gone to higher stakes. Conditions then were very good, and I was able to stay under the radar (for the most part).

As red chip conditions deteriorated in my market, I started green chipping. Backoffs started in due course.

**stopgambling** · 05-24-2018, 09:38 PM

The moral is just jump to yellow and brown action.

**lij45o6** · 05-24-2018, 09:41 PM

Originally Posted by stopgambling

The moral is just jump to yellow and brown action.

It seems, from professionals' antidotes, that a paradox occurs when changing levels. Red/Green/Black/Purp: threat!; +Yellow: No threat.

What gives?

Also, doen't jumping to Yellow or higher run the risk of the casino asking for ID? Giving ID to casinos as an AP is like being bit by a rattler: You think you will be fine...until it is too late.

**Ryemo** · 05-25-2018, 05:33 AM

Originally Posted by dogman_1234

It seems, from professionals' antidotes, that a paradox occurs when changing levels. Red/Green/Black/Purp: threat!; +Yellow: No threat.

What gives?

Also, doen't jumping to Yellow or higher run the risk of the casino asking for ID? Giving ID to casinos as an AP is like being bit by a rattler: You think you will be fine...until it is too late.

The casinos will sweat you just as much when you start playing huge stakes, but I think some casinos need higher level management to back off someone who’s betting 2x1,000 and up. They wouldn’t want to chase away a high roller ploppy, so they need to be a bit more careful in their evaluations.

**21forme** · 05-25-2018, 06:08 AM

Originally Posted by Ryemo

The casinos will sweat you just as much when you start playing huge stakes, but I think some casinos need higher level management to back off someone who’s betting 2x1,000 and up. They wouldn’t want to chase away a high roller ploppy, so they need to be a bit more careful in their evaluations.

+1

There's also a lot more room for camo when playing high stakes.

**stopgambling** · 05-25-2018, 07:42 AM

My post was supposed to be sarcastic .

**Three** · 05-25-2018, 07:53 AM

Originally Posted by stopgambling

My post was supposed to be sarcastic .

Ironic that it had so much truth to it.

**scroogemcduck** · 05-25-2018, 08:01 AM

I started as a high green / low black chipper, so I got 5 backoffs out of 12 casinos on my first weekend road trip playing a naked ~16x jump spread on double deck. On the recycle 6 months later I got even more hours than the first time, and only 1 backoff. "burning your name" doesn't really matter. There are over 3,000 casinos and name changes are cheap.

**Three** · 05-25-2018, 08:03 AM

Originally Posted by scroogemcduck

"burning your name" doesn't really matter. There are over 3,000 casinos and name changes are cheap.

The problem is changing your face is not cheap.

**Tenlavuu** · 05-25-2018, 08:06 AM

Originally Posted by Ryemo

The casinos will sweat you just as much when you start playing huge stakes, but I think some casinos need higher level management to back off someone who’s betting 2x1,000 and up. They wouldn’t want to chase away a high roller ploppy, so they need to be a bit more careful in their evaluations.

Some guy hit our store, bought in for hundreds and walked away with couple thousands. He bet 50/+150 every first hand and often on side bet LL with $25. He max with purple. Doesn't buy insurance, always stayed on 16. Unrated, doesn't drink too. Happened to overheard the managers that they called the surveillance and even the IETS cant figure it out and that he was chipping up, or progressive on negative. He got away, and played for 3 hours.