Only in Asia have I seen it required that one surrender before any cards are dealt to other players. In the U.S. it seems to be split, in my experience, whether they want a verbal command or a hand signal. Strangely enough I have had more dealers be impolite in advising me what their particular policy is relating to this play than with any other action at the table, despite it being impossible to keep up with individual casinos' protocol.
I have never seen a verbal signal required. That seems to be a dealer preference where I have played, especially where the ploppies never surrender and the dealer is unaccustomed. I was getting my ass kicked one day. The count goes slightly up. Rather than go to my wallet, I go to my stack of fifty cent pieces, because I had plenty of those. The dealer didn't wait, he dealt me out. Then he noticed I was out, and showed a King that was to be dealt to me, and allowed me the opportunity to get back in. So I went all in, which was only for about an extra $10. And he wouldn't let me. So I went back to stacking the fifty pieces. Then he really dealt me out. He attempted to deal me out of the next hand, so before he could, I scattered my chips all over the table and threw my arms over multiple betting spots. And slowly stacked my fifty cent pieces.
Long story short, it came time to surrender. By now, the dealer was thoroughly pissed that I had been making all my bets with a dollar chip stacked on top. Not only was that hurting his hands per hour, but my occasional rainbow bet was causing mispays (in the casinos favor), and making him look like an idiot when I silently corrected him. I gave a clear surrender signal. He said I have to say surrender. I just looked at him and made the signal again. He said he didn't know what that means, and that I have to say surrender. I thought, well it seems like you do know it means. I looked at him in silence, and slowly made the surrender signal again. And again. And again. He eventually took it to mean surrender.
Moral of the story--show the dealer who's boss if they mess with you. Most of the smug ones are dumb.
Last edited by Boz; 05-10-2016 at 12:03 AM.
Many of the casinos I visit require a vocal command. I think they got tired of dealers dealing to fast and hitting your hand as soon as your finger touched the felt before realizing you made a throat cutting motion or maybe they got tired of shot takers purposely trying to make this happen. I always say it first and if required make the hand signal for the cameras.
I'm not saying you guys are lying, if that was what I accidentally implied. I'm just saying that where I play, I have never seen it required. It has only been pseudo-required by douche dealers. And usually only then, it's only required until you establish what kind of hands you surrender and your consistency. After that, they become aware and stop enforcing their made up rule. And yes, I've seen the shot-taking capability of the surrender signal, and sometimes dealers have accidentally given me a card. It's never been my intent to abuse surrender in those instances, but I do keep the card if it turns my hand into a non-surrender hand. I only take shots when the dealer screws up and the pit does something ridiculous like 'you can't lose.' OK, rather than surrender, I'll double my 15.Originally Posted by Tthree
Last edited by Boz; 05-10-2016 at 05:24 PM.
Hell no. To be honest, I've never doubled a 15. But I've doubled my soft hands v. high cards in high counts. I'm not passing up golden opportunities like those. It's plays where I have no idea what the proper strategy is that I'll err on the side of being discreet. I'm not even sure a pit boss would see this is as shot taking. A shot taker claims he never waived off his 20, and wanted to double so can get the ace that came out. In this case, the pit comes and says, OK, you have a free shot.
Last edited by Boz; 05-10-2016 at 06:21 PM.
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