Is surrender still a common option? Comparing games

[ZeeBabar]

Why should you look it up? Because you had a question with a simple-to-find solution. One tends to remember things better if they do the work themselves, and research is the key to success. Your laziness is so typical of the government employee you are.

Enjoy it here while it lasts. you've been on BJ21 for 3 years, asking the same newbie questions over and over again. That's why just about everyone there either ignores you or replies to you with sarcasm and insults. People here will tire of your laziness soon enough, too.

Re the GPS analogy, I answered that one on BJ21 for you previously. But since you are incapable of looking it up yourself, here's what I said:
I have no problem giving someone directions if they ask. However, if that same person asks for the same directions over and over again, then they are on their own.

First, no one, and certainly not me, is asking YOU anything. In fact I am pleading with you to not read nor write about anything I post. Second, I have posted on both forums and gentlemen, be it Stanford Wong, Don S., Norm have ocassionally commented, often did not participate but have never ever tried to Cyber Bully others as you do. You probably learned much about being an AP from them but you never learned much else, particularly about being a gentleman.

As regards my analogy, if no one is asking YOU for directions, you do not need to take it upon yourself to punish them. No one appointed you the boss.

Stop being so conceited and tell folks what to do and please stop lying. Go read my posts this month on both forums. Lots of people replied and with answers/suggestions. There will always be bullies around who claim that it is their playground and you are a cyber bully who cannot resist coming over to my posts and trying to bully me. Good luck.

[SiMi]

Moses!

Yes, the new hand signal for surrender in the Wild West Coast should be to raise your hands! Great idea...

SiMi

[SiMi]

Hey, OC!

Thanks for the info! I need to get out there soon. I'm interested in PA. I keep hearing about good games there...

SiMi

[SiMi]

Hey, again, ZB

You noted that $10 tables are less desirable to you than $25 tables due to side bets and perhaps some other negative factor. Someone noted that you might be referring to a more crowded table at lower limit tables as a negative. Was that the point you were making or was there some other thing(s) about $10 tables that you didn't like.

I definitely have seen that $10 tables are far more crowded than $25 tables and, in fact, in all the smaller places I've played, you will be playing alone or with only 1 other person most of the time at the $25 tables. This can be a longevity problem because you stick out more than at a lower table.

I'm just curious if I'm missing something.

Thanks!
SiMi

[Three]

I definitely have seen that $10 tables are far more crowded than $25 tables and, in fact, in all the smaller places I've played, you will be playing alone or with only 1 other person most of the time at the $25 tables. This can be a longevity problem because you stick out more than at a lower table.

But you can get in and out hitting your desired EV in much less time. That is a longevity increaser. It all depends on the individual casino.

[Shoofly]

Howdy, ZB!

I play on the West Coast and I just don't see surrender. I was playing at Reno a while ago and an older, Asian guy who spoke no English had a 16 v 10 and he made the 'surrender' sign below his cards (draw a horizontal line below your cards) and the Dealer just looked at him like a deer in a spotlight. She asked him if he wanted a hit and he, again, drew the line. The game had completely stopped for this. Finally, I said, "He wants to surrender." and the Dealer said, "What's that?"

I'd love to hear from others who play in areas where surrender is common.

SiMi

I have discovered that there is no universal sign for surrender. At a casino in Michigan, the signal for surrender was holding your hand, palm up, over your bet.

[ZeeBabar]

Hey, again, ZB

You noted that $10 tables are less desirable to you than $25 tables due to side bets and perhaps some other negative factor. Someone noted that you might be referring to a more crowded table at lower limit tables as a negative. Was that the point you were making or was there some other thing(s) about $10 tables that you didn't like.

I definitely have seen that $10 tables are far more crowded than $25 tables and, in fact, in all the smaller places I've played, you will be playing alone or with only 1 other person most of the time at the $25 tables. This can be a longevity problem because you stick out more than at a lower table.

I'm just curious if I'm missing something.

Thanks!
SiMi

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its true that there is much less crowding at Dd games without side bets or at higher minimums. I love playing in Missouri where it seems that if you have a card, if you are local and semi-regular, and your spread is decent, you don't get heat. I don't camouflage, bet with the count (play $25 min. at neutral counts, move up exactly 1 unit per true count, thus $$50 at TC2, $75 at TC3, $100 at TC4 and $125 as max bet. Absolutely no cover. In Mo, they cannot back you off. They do half shoe you or worse if you are not using a players card and are the hit and run sort whose max bet at a $25 min. Table is in excess of $400 and your spread is larger than 1-5.

I have been playing and observing now for 2 years. It's only when I am heads up and winning that the PB might whier or tap the dealer and penn decreases to 50%. When I am playing with larger betting ploppies, they never bother me.

They cannot not know that I count. They just don't wish to piss off the other players and as long as my wins remain small, they leave me alone. There are a couple of others that also move with the count.

these policies are very good, the casino still makes money.

[ZenMaster_Flash]

I have discovered that there is no universal sign for surrender. At a casino in Michigan, the signal for surrender was holding your hand, palm up, over your bet.

That one I have never seen. Where is that used ?

I play in one casino that insists on a VERBAL command.

Another demands I trace a horizontal line on the felt with my finger.

[MJGolf]

That one I have never seen. Where is that used ?

I play in one casino that insists on a VERBAL command.

Another demands I trace a horizontal line on the felt with my finger.

I have discovered that there is no universal sign for surrender. At a casino in Michigan, the signal for surrender was holding your hand, palm up, over your bet.

Never seen this palm up one either. But both means Flash mentioned. And in 'olden golden days' at Ceasars, they required verbal choice/words and then put a "surrender chip" on top of your bet for the "eye in the sky". As to the OP and question from a year ago, yes Surrender is still in existence. Just not that many houses here locally/in our State.

[Meistro123]

I also look the dealer in the eye and announce surrender and the amount of the hand if I am playing more than one hand. Any hand signal might be misinterpreted.

[Stealth]

According to WoO Late Surrender is 0.08%.

While true off the top, it is more valuable to counters, generally more like .2%!

[ZenMaster_Flash]

The value of Late Surrender DECREASES as the number of decks do.

The more decks there are being used the more L.S. is worth.

For a Card Counter who has L.S. indices for 13 to 16 the value is increased.

[Freightman]

There are several ways to surrender, depending on location.
- surrender before first base takes a hit.
- surrender sign, making an x with your fingers when it is your turn to make a decision.
- surrender button befire p,at, or at your turn,
- plus others that have been alluded to.

I recently played geographically located stores, all of whuch offered surrender. Literally 99.9% of surrender were from me. Nobody knew what it was, or though it a wussy move.