Based upon experience what type of comps would someone reasonably expect playing as follows. With the location being a on the Strip.
15 or 30 a hand (Just assume flat betting for this question) Playing 8 hrs?
Thanks
Max Rubin's comp city had a formula to determine the comp value for table games. It is outdated and the strip has pinched these down considerably. However, here is my version to give me some idea of what to ask for.Originally Posted by mushin
8 hours play x 30 bet x 100 hands per hour = $24,000 in action
24,000 X 2% theo casino edge x 40% marketing cost = $192 in comp value
Again, these are old (actually less than Rubin suggested but not low enough) formulas but should give you some idea how to approach the question of comps. Key thing is that you will get nothing unless you ask for it, so ask for too much and take what they give you.
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From this discussion it seems comps in places like AC and Baltimore are looser than Vegas? In AC 1-2 hours of 'new' play usually gets me rooms, and free play on my future returns. Although, there's been times when I've been at the table and my goal was to establish play. Well, on multiple occasions cards turned, TC shot through the roof, and my original $50 flat betting turned into a > $500 multiple spots wager situation. When put in these situations considering the pit has all of my info I always took the gamble and started firing away anyways when the TC reaches a non resistible point .
Pertaining to the story above: Even after 60 mins of play or less, win or loss, I still recieved hotel offers, food, etc,.
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Mushin:
Having played some of the comp game for years, I would agree that the value for BJ play has dropped considerably from what it was before. First, odds are you won't even be rated at most name Vegas strip places UNLESS you play $25/hand minimum. Minimum of play is still 4 hours a day. If you are a member of Total Rewards, you may be able to use Ceasar's fairly light requirements for hotel rooms based upon membership. Get their Visa Card and you can leverage more points to use and earn at their properties (5x points per dollar spent at their properties for almost everything). Based upon play (and their awards for tier credits); a good blackjack player earns very, very little. My last fully comped trip for them for probably $25-$50 hand was at The Horseshoe in Bossier City. The room was comped ahead of time; asked pit for food and got it. Weekday play, too. Weekends are even harder to get comps. For rooms; I didn't notice too much difference for food.
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Wow. Vegas does not sound as fun as I thought. I can play at my local joint for pretty much any length of time and at least get a comp for $20 or $30 depending on where I tell them I would like to go. Personally for me it is not about getting or not getting a comp. It is more that the comp shows that they are will to try to build some type of relationship with me to earn my play time.
I guess green is the way to go for the minimum comps. However it is no wonder that non-vegas casinos are gaining in popularity. They know that the vast majority of their players will be local repeat visitors so they have to "take care of them"
Based on my experience, spreading out the games I played helped with my comps and comp offers. Even though it's -EV to play craps, baccarat, video poker, and slots, it did help me get offers coming back in. I think at most properties offers continue for 3-6 months before your action is reevaluated. Pure blackjack just won't cut it anymore unless you play for long hours and have an average bet of 50 or more.
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