Double down on hard 12

[redseven8]

I was playing single deck last night with one other player (3:2, h17, doa, ndas, no surrender). The other player had 10, 2 vs the dealers 5. The dealer convinced her to double down. Is there ever a time (count) where this would be the right play?

[BigJer]

Only unless you KNOW there is a 9 coming. Other than that it's a ploppy move. BTW dealers are some of the worst players I've seen.

[marriedputter]

I was playing single deck last night with one other player (3:2, h17, doa, ndas, no surrender). The other player had 10, 2 vs the dealers 5. The dealer convinced her to double down. Is there ever a time (count) where this would be the right play?

Absolutely! It's one of the best plays you can make!

Late April Fools. There's never a good time to do it unless you get a peek at a nine.

[Freightman]

Only unless you KNOW there is a 9 coming. Other than that it's a ploppy move. BTW dealers are some of the worst players I've seen.

I've done that a couple of times - just for shits and giggles - and clearly only at minimum. The last time, the really cute dealer says why don't I double, with the critter watching - okay I said and flipped out another green - I was only kidding she said - no worries I said - I thanked her after I won the hand

Clearly negative at that point though don't recall how much.

Now that I think about it, recall doing that once with another counter at the table - he told me later he was laughing inside - knew exactly what I was doing.

[Orangechip2]

The dealer convinced her to double down.

Was she tipping? Maybe he was just being an ass and wanted to run her off the tables by telling her terrible plays, like the one you mentioned.

[Three]

The other player had 10, 2 vs the dealers 5. The dealer convinced her to double down. Is there ever a time (count) where this would be the right play?

For most counts the answer is no. There is no correlation of the cards counted to cards important to the play. Some specialized counts would have you making this play especially with few cards remaining. Even then the play would rarely be made if ever. You need to not draw a T and unless you know there are a boatload of 9, 8 and 7 you are playing for the dealer to bust. Those two things don't go together to well. What pisses me off is when the dealer tries to get a person with a tip bet to make a bad double or split just to get more tip money on the table.

[Dieter]

Since you said single deck, it's almost conceivable. It would have to be a low (negative) count, and you'd have to remember that you haven't seen a lot of 7-8-9's yet. Hitting is still safer.

I make a point of doubling a hard 12 at least every few months at my regular stores when I'm getting watched. Almost felt bad the last time; I made a hand (with a card that would have busted the dealer) but so did the dealer - I won, but half the table lost.

Doubling H12 is a good way to catch heat from players, right up there with splitting 10's. Expect dirty looks and rude commentary, particularly if you win and they lose.

[redseven8]

[QUOTE=Tthree;156785 What pisses me off is when the dealer tries to get a person with a tip bet to make a bad double or split just to get more tip money on the table.[/QUOTE]

This may have been it. The player was tipping on almost every hand.

[22playing21]

BTW dealers are some of the worst players I've seen.

So true. Had a dealer try and tell a player to double down soft 18 vs 10 and i said you'd be crazy to make that play and he then said he'd been dealing for 14 years and knows what he is talking about

[BigJer]

So true. Had a dealer try and tell a player to double down soft 18 vs 10 and i said you'd be crazy to make that play and he then said he'd been dealing for 14 years and knows what he is talking about

I was up in Reno and I saw this dealer/PB from a casino I go to and she was DD on a pair of twos against some dealer's up card. I couldn't believe the bad plays she was making.

[NotEnoughHeat]

So true. Had a dealer try and tell a player to double down soft 18 vs 10 and i said you'd be crazy to make that play and he then said he'd been dealing for 14 years and knows what he is talking about

I read that as hit the first time around and I was thinking to myself "what?! a dealer giving correct basic strategy?" but then did a double take and ended up just as surprised lmao

[LVBear584]

Since you said single deck, it's almost conceivable. It would have to be a low (negative) count, and you'd have to remember that you haven't seen a lot of 7-8-9's yet. Hitting is still safer.

I make a point of doubling a hard 12 at least every few months at my regular stores when I'm getting watched. Almost felt bad the last time; I made a hand (with a card that would have busted the dealer) but so did the dealer - I won, but half the table lost.

Doubling H12 is a good way to catch heat from players, right up there with splitting 10's. Expect dirty looks and rude commentary, particularly if you win and they lose.

Dirty looks and rude commentary are a good thing. These superstitious players may leave, giving you fewer players at the table or maybe a heads-up game.

[Marlene]

Dirty looks and rude commentary are a good thing. These superstitious players may leave, giving you fewer players at the table or maybe a heads-up game.

Unless you pulled this move in a deeply negative count on a shoe game. Now you get to eat those bad cards all by yourself. Conversely, splitting tens and pissing players off can be a positive play times two