cheating dealer

**moo321** · 09-27-2012, 06:12 PM

Originally Posted by Aslan

Absolutely! Hey, what's a good Christian boy like you doing knowing all these advanced cheating techniques, anyway?

I've got to make sure I don't get cheated when I'm playing poker in "charity" games at the Catholic Church. Seriously.

**Aslan** · 09-27-2012, 07:41 PM

Originally Posted by moo321

I've got to make sure I don't get cheated when I'm playing poker in "charity" games at the Catholic Church. Seriously.

I never ran into that. Haha How does charity poker work? How does the church get it's "donations?" Cutting the pot?

Hey, I wouldn't trust anyone in a poker game. And CINOs are everywhere (CINO = Catholic In Name Only). I don't think a serious adherent to any religion would condone cheating.

**DiceDealer** · 09-28-2012, 03:04 AM

Originally Posted by Aslan

I never ran into that. Haha How does charity poker work? How does the church get it's "donations?" Cutting the pot?

Hey, I wouldn't trust anyone in a poker game. And CINOs are everywhere (CINO = Catholic In Name Only). I don't think a serious adherent to any religion would condone cheating.

About seven years ago before I got into the casinos, I ran a charity card room. It's regulated by the state lottery commission, not the gaming control board so there is far more that they can get away with because they are not scrutinized by gaming control. There is a management company that runs the venue under the guise of a portion of the proceeds going to charities. There are many unscrupulous things that go on in those venues and I wouldn't think that cheating is an exception.

**Aslan** · 09-28-2012, 07:32 AM

Originally Posted by DiceDealer

About seven years ago before I got into the casinos, I ran a charity card room. It's regulated by the state lottery commission, not the gaming control board so there is far more that they can get away with because they are not scrutinized by gaming control. There is a management company that runs the venue under the guise of a portion of the proceeds going to charities. There are many unscrupulous things that go on in those venues and I wouldn't think that cheating is an exception.

Yes, I have had experience with the use of a third party management company. Someone I knew very well was part of the management team for a Bingo game ostensibly raising money for a good cause. He got out before they arrested all his colleagues. They were skimming money off the top like there was no tomorrow. That was long ago; he's dead now. He escaped jail; the others did not. Churches would do well to manage any such gambling operation for charity by themselves.

**stopgambling** · 09-28-2012, 08:18 AM

Thanks for the info. Very good to know.You are an asset to us!

**Nicholas** · 10-07-2012, 06:08 PM

Originally Posted by steveistheman84

if the left thumb never leaves the top of the deck, he's dealing 2nd's.

I don't think you can be so certain. Besides, it's possible to deal seconds while having the thumb appear to lift off the deck. I'm practicing it right now

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I find these old stories very interesting. Thanks to everyone for sharing.

**DiceDealer** · 10-14-2012, 02:47 PM

You can deal seconds from a shoe without the right hand covering it. It's a very tricky move to pull off.

**Aslan** · 10-14-2012, 05:29 PM

I hope we don't have a Forum full of card sharp hopefuls in the making.

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**DiceDealer** · 10-16-2012, 01:37 AM

I doubt it brother Aslan. If you do want to know though, dealing seconds with one hand on a shoe isn't impossible, just a really hard move to pull off. If you ever see the dealer with his trigger finger and middle finger on the card about to come out, keep close watch. One finger slides the top card up and the other holds the card below it so it doesn't slide into the shoe. Then the second card is delivered and it looks just as smooth as usual. In fact, the card that should have been delivered can be held indefinitely. Another thing to look for would be a difference in the pattern on the backs of the cards that are about to come out of the shoe. If the pattern isn't solid (indicating that the dealer is only going to access one card) and there is a variation that means that the top card is offset and moved into the shoe a little bit allowing the second card to be dealt. Most people are so preoccupied with the cards on the table that looking at the dealers hand on the shoe is the last thing on their mind.

**Aslan** · 10-16-2012, 11:46 AM

Originally Posted by DiceDealer

If you do want to know though, dealing seconds with one hand on a shoe isn't impossible

I know a dealer can deal seconds in a pitch game with only one hand when he is hitting your hand, but he has to sort of "paste" the card on your hand to do so. It's really a very easy move. I'm sure you must know it.

**DiceDealer** · 10-16-2012, 01:51 PM

Originally Posted by Aslan

I know a dealer can deal seconds in a pitch game with only one hand when he is hitting your hand, but he has to sort of "paste" the card on your hand to do so. It's really a very easy move. I'm sure you must know it.

I can execute that move but I don't deal pitch games. I just thought I would let you guys know what to look for in shoe games if you think that the house is up to no good. I know that large corporate owned McCasino's wouldn't do that since they don't need too, but some secluded places in the middle of nowhere may have some less than desirable practices.

**Aslan** · 10-16-2012, 02:17 PM

Originally Posted by DiceDealer

I know that large corporate owned McCasino's wouldn't do that since they don't need too,

That does not mean that a specific pit boss wouldn't hire someone with "talent" and use him to keep his numbers up. I remember working for a large and famous hotel as wine steward. They would pick up untapped bottles of whiskey on a flatbed after large convention parties and roll them back to the liquor storage room, thereby keeping the hotels bottom line up. I also was told that one bartender would fill a Beefeater's gin and tonic order by using cheap bar gin and topping it with Beefeater's to achieve the smell and some of the taste. The corporation would fire an employee for doing such things, but of course it did not know about them.

**DiceDealer** · 10-16-2012, 05:20 PM

Originally Posted by Aslan

That does not mean that a specific pit boss wouldn't hire someone with "talent" and use him to keep his numbers up. I remember working for a large and famous hotel as wine steward. They would pick up untapped bottles of whiskey on a flatbed after large convention parties and roll them back to the liquor storage room, thereby keeping the hotels bottom line up. I also was told that one bartender would fill a Beefeater's gin and tonic order by using cheap bar gin and topping it with Beefeater's to achieve the smell and some of the taste. The corporation would fire an employee for doing such things, but of course it did not know about them.

There's no doubt about the possibility, but the probability is very low for, like I stated before large corporation owned casinos such as Harrah's, MGM, Sands etc. the probability is very miniscule. I would be more concerned about casinos that have already been busted for cheating. Soaring Eagle in Michigan got caught more than once for taking aces out of blackjack decks. Places like that would be a major concern to me and I would avoid them. However, I don't deal pitch games and I know little about the procedures so I can imagine it would be easier to slip a mechanic in there than in the shoe games. If I get one of my shoes back in the near future I will try to remember to upload a video of the move so that you can see what it looks like to be aware of such unscrupulous activity.