I'm switching counts: speak now or forever hold your peace

[ZenKinG]

You obviously didn't understand my explanation of what I am doing and I am not going to explain it again. You couldn't be more wrong. This thread is not about that so focus your input on what is commonly done.

Sounds like denial to me and you won't accept that my approach is better. Not only is my EV increasing exponentially counting two tables at once compared to counting one table with 100 side counts, my distance to the long run has now been cut in half, while having a super non-linear count counting 1 table at all times wont even come close, but please provide a sim proving me otherwise. You, Tarzan and all the complex count advocates seem to be a little delusional in how shoe games work and the frequencies of card matchups that would allow a complex count to flourish. Pitch games with great pen, different story; shoe games with avg or even great pen, complexity is not needed and players should focus more on chasing dollars instead of pennies by doing other techniques such as the two table or even three table approach using HiLo

Also, how is what I said not applicable to this thread? The point of threads is always to help an OP better his game even if it means what he's asking about is different. Im sure they appreciate helpful advice that can lead them to better gains and a better insight of what card counting actually is.

If you know such a great count let alone a non-linear one, why don't you just search out the best pitch games period? Why do you waste most of your playing time with shoe games? Do you realize how much damage you could do? For someone who claims they're so smart, it sure doesn't show with your game selection. Cater your playing style and super count to attack the nicely dealt pitch games even if that means flying all over the country like Kevin Blackwood did. There's still tons of great pitch games scattered across the U.S, but APs like to keep quiet.

[mofungoo]

Even the inventor of the DMHE count clearly states it is to be used in deeply dealt single deck games.

[Bodarc]

I may be the first to have access to a simulator capable of taking it from theory to practice.

Interesting Three. Do you think you'll be through with your simulations within a month?

[mofungoo]

What is the most important thing for shoe games? Accurate betting. That is where my gain comes from. My system bets much much more accurately than is even possible using a linear approach.

How do you figure that? Halves is about as accurate as can be for betting. The best that you can do is equal halves, with much more effort.

[ZenKinG]

You are wrong. I am not going to go into detail since it is not useful to the thread. I explained what I do good enough that those that will understand it should get it. It is not something others will do without developing a similar system themselves so the discussion is not useful to others. The people that don't see the potential of nonlinear approach can't abandon the only way they know to use info and think about using it a different way. Since you can't seem to drop something that is not useful to this thread I will.

Your final paragraph assumes lots of things you now nothing about. If you think you know I don't attack pitch games then you should know why this is so in your fantasyland. If your assumptions are wrong, when you actually start playing you will understand game selection after you get backed of and blacklisted through shared info between casinos. Yes I could do some damage and then not be able to play anymore ending all opportunities. Most pros avoid pitch games or hit them sparingly except for the pros that are looking to burn the US quick and move to other ways of making money or go international sticking to BJ. There is nothing wrong with making a lot of money quick and having a career last 1 or 2 years before you can't find a place that will take your action but that is not what most people want for themselves. If that is what you want, when you start playing stick to your plan. Get as much as you can for a year or 2 and go do something else the rest of your life. What is the most important thing for shoe games? Accurate betting. That is where my gain comes from. My system bets much much more accurately than is even possible using a linear approach.


Most counting systems can only be used in a linear approach (reducing every decision to comparing numbers on a numberline). There are other ways to apply info if it is gathered in the right form. These are not necessarily confined to the linear boundaries of what is possible. So as you can see I am best applying this to shoe games where BC becomes far more important. If a 1.0 BC is great for a shoe game how much better an approach that makes that look like peanuts. My approach doesn't even try to improve PE. The PE of the main count is high but it is attained using the same linear approach that everyone else uses and is nothing special.

The point is you should be talking about the systems you know which are the same systems that the OP is discussing. Not make comments about a system you don't know or just don't understand. Now can you focus your comments on systems where you know what you are talking about. My system is unique and uses an approach not used in the systems that are readily available to people and perhaps the only system that uses such an approach. I highly doubt that because there are some really smart people out there and I am sure I am not the first to consider it. I may be the first to have access to a simulator capable of taking it from theory to practice. If so I am the first to do it.

Ok Ill stick to my belief that in shoe games, there is too much of a low frequency of card matchups to be able to use any additional information such as having an excess or low amount of a certain denomination card that can profitably help you decide how to play your hand and bet. There is simply too much dilution with 6-8 decks of cards to have any consistent skew of excess or low grouping of cards that can help you decide future decisions. And even if there was a huge excess of cards over another that can help you play your hand or even bet the next hand it would happen very rarely and who is to say you would win that particular hand? In my view it's not a profitable proposition, much more usefel in single or double deck because of lack of cards and volatile swings in the count/card matchups/card groupings.

[Exoter175]

First, I hate that you continue to spout the same flawed logic. The results of many scientific studies dispute your claim. Try looking up some studies on simple vs complex tasks, especially as it relates to memory and recognizance. For starters it isn't even the same part of the brain that is used, so the idea that with enough practice you can do something more complex, just as well....is as you put it "insane".

Second, it isn't the 1970's or 1980's or even the 1990's, when stronger counts offered more value. It's 2015 and blackjack conditions have deteriorated to the point that with the mediocre games that most players have access to, what count you use is all but irrelevant as long as you aren't using something really weak, like speed count or A-5 count.

If you want to use an advanced count, go for it. Power to you. But stop trying to impress us and tell us how smart you are by using an "insanely hard count". To me that isn't proving how smart you are, but quite the contrary, it is proving you are living in the past and refusing to adapt to today's conditions and adapt a plan of attack based on such.

Thaaaaaaaaaaaaaaank you KJ. I've had about enough of his "past is currently the present" nonsense, and his over-the-top condescending attitude about everything and how smart he is. Its as if every time we all have a discussion about counting, he's got to chime in with the "well my count is overly complex and most people wouldn't comprehend it or have the mental powers to handle it", and in the back of my mind I'm sitting there remembering you constantly posting on this forum about chasing pennies instead of dollars.

To the OP, stick with Hi-Lo, there's absolutely nothing wrong with it. In fact, finding a dealer that will deal you from 68% pen to 75% pen will do more for your game than switching to T3's count.

But while you rest, the HiLo player just cranked in 15 hours straight, in which half of those hours he was counting multiple tables simultaneously and killed your EV without the headache.

HiLo >

Since when are you such an advocate of HiLo?

[Three]

How do you figure that? Halves is about as accurate as can be for betting. The best that you can do is equal halves, with much more effort.

It is as accurate as you can get using a linear approach. the actual advantage ranges far from the averages you use to bet. With a different approach tan the linear one you can find were you are in the range of advantages that average to the advantage you use to bet. The range of advantage will be huge with the highest frequencies of advantage being below the average and the range above the average is large but the frequencies are less. In other words that 1.0 BC count is usually slightly overbetting the actual edge and less often severely underbetiing the actual edge. Most of the time the bet is either accurate or overbetting. My system attempts to define what the actual advantage is. Judging from the sims and actual playing results it is very successful.

[Exoter175]

I needed 100 billion round sims

[ohbehave]

My count uses the 2d approach strickly applied to bet sizing. I bet far more accurately than the best possible system using a linear approach. Playing decisions are made with a linear approach with no side counts just like everyone else.So you think super exact betting is more profitable in SD and DD than shoes? If you think my approach would be better off in pitch games that is what you are saying.

I tried to send you a PM on how it works but you have chosen not to accept them.

T3, I can accept PMs and would be interested in learning more.