Let's say you were going to sit at a table but a person sitting there asked you not

**BigJer** · 03-02-2015, 05:01 PM

to sit yet because they've been winning and they don't want the flow of the cards to stop. Would you sit or not sit down?

**aggressive** · 03-02-2015, 05:18 PM

i'd give one courtesy hand
but it honestly depends on the count

**Baberuth** · 03-02-2015, 05:21 PM

I move on.

**Mickey** · 03-02-2015, 05:32 PM

If it's at one of my local joints I want to look like a gambler too so I agree with the player, am very kind and act like I understand what he means about THE FLOW. If I'm back counting the whole time and know the TC is good I'll wait until he loses a hand and "re-check" with the player to see if NOW I could join in to help "re-shift" the "flow".

**ZenKinG** · 03-02-2015, 07:29 PM

Originally Posted by Mickey

If it's at one of my local joints I want to look like a gambler too so I agree with the player, am very kind and act like I understand what he means about THE FLOW. If I'm back counting the whole time and know the TC is good I'll wait until he loses a hand and "re-check" with the player to see if NOW I could join in to help "re-shift" the "flow".

The way I handle it is similar to you as well. If Im in a decent mood I tend to let them lose one hand but once they lose i go straight in. Again this whole jumping in the table depends on my mood, if im in a bad mood or just experienced bad beat after bad beat ill just jump in and not pay anyone any attention whatsoever.

**Norm** · 03-02-2015, 06:54 PM

Well, this is one example where “there are other players at the table?” may not apply. If the table has a high limit compared to other tables in the casino, you might want to move on. If he is a counter using a line, you don’t want to be at the same table. If he is a jerk playing fairly high stakes, the casino probably doesn’t want him bothered.

If it’s a lower stake table, and the count is positive, “there are other players at the table?”

**stopgambling** · 03-02-2015, 09:10 PM

Originally Posted by Norm

Well, this is one example where “there are other players at the table?” may not apply. If the table has a high limit compared to other tables in the casino, you might want to move on. If he is a counter using a line, you don’t want to be at the same table. If he is a jerk playing fairly high stakes, the casino probably doesn’t want him bothered.

If it’s a lower stake table, and the count is positive, “there are other players at the table?”

To handle it better I will gauge the situation. What kind of player will I be probably upset? What is the cost to me?In someplace you can not be a jerk while at other places you have to be in your face disregarding everything that is in your way. Just my thoughts.

**Norm** · 03-03-2015, 06:22 AM

Originally Posted by KJ

It's a fun little line, Norm, but personally, I think there have been other scenarios discussed where it didn't apply as well.

Well, I was going to title my next book "There are other players at the table?" But, it was going to be about pool.

**BJNewbeeNoMore** · 03-02-2015, 09:44 PM

If the count is good and it's time to wong in and the player asks me not to...

I wait until he loses a hand. When he does, he will be the one who'll ask you to come in. If he doesn't ask and he plays decent BJ, he's probably an AP also. I don't wong in to another AP's table; same way I don't like them jumping in on my table at good counts.

**NotEnoughHeat** · 03-03-2015, 07:57 AM

I voted yes since I don't like the idea of losing out on EV because of somebody else's superstitious beliefs. The way the question was worded it almost sounded like the person was asking you not to play at this table period. My local stores only have 3 or 4 pits, so BJ games at the stakes I want are limited. It's asking a lot to tell me to not play at all, especially during the mornings and afternoons when there's only one (maybe two) tables that are at my level.

However, speaking of when the intent is 'I'd prefer if you didn't play right now' I'd probably do what most of us here would and try to give a reasonable compromise such as waiting till the end of the shoe (if I missed a large chunk or the count is super negative) or going in after a few hands. The higher the count, the more people, the less likely I'm going to oblige and wait too long. Sometimes I feel a bit like a hypocrite being so willing to 'interrupt' a shoe if it's money I'm missing out on yet preferring people to keep out when I play (during the high counts)--I'm sure I must look that way to some of the ploppies--but you're the one in for the long grind. If someone is really adamant, I might yield, but I have no qualms trying to get my good EV and prioritizing that over the guy simply trying to 'preserve the flow'.

**mofungoo** · 03-03-2015, 08:18 AM

I don't try to stop others who enter a game I'm in, and I don't stay out of a game I'm wonging if the count says to enter. If there is no NMSE sign, I'm in.

**hitthat16** · 03-03-2015, 02:56 PM

I say "I'll sit out one more hand. You can't expect me to wait any longer."

I don't want to do the wait until they lose a hand thing. What if they don't? Then I just let a juicy count disappear.

And I may sound stern, but I'm not at the casino to cater to the civilians. If they don't like it, too bad!

That being said, if I got some extreme plloppy heat out of it then I'd move on. But that's the only exception. 99% of the time they know I'm coming in whether they like it or not and they'll just sit there with a grumpy look on their faces as I hit my A7 vs 10.

**Three** · 03-03-2015, 03:01 PM

If you don't want to wait just look them in the eye and say, Sorry I am not going to wait to bet. They may not be happy about it but at least you acted like a man and treated them with respect. People get really pissed if you just act like they don't exist when you ignore their request.