Reko pe .55?

[RoadWarrior]

REKOs PE is .55!? Even if we use the +2 rounded index idea?!? IS REKO better than Hi_Lo? Can someone post comparison chart! thankss

[Norm]

REKOs PE is .55!?

HiLo's PE is .51. But, PE isn't really meant for unbalanced strategies. And, PE is just a quick estimate anyhoo.

[RoadWarrior]

NORM! How do we know the effectiveness then of the playing strategy?!

[Norm]

Sims. Blackjack is an intractable math problem from an algorithmic view. Monte Carlo methods are the only method.

[RoadWarrior]

I have CVCX but compared to HiLO different numbers are used! Is this reliable to compare? The betting chart scrolls all the way to boottom with a lot more numbers! Can someone please help me to determine if REKO is better than Hi_LO. I like unbalanced cause of no deck estimation but need to know if it is more effective at making more money!

[Norm]

That's the point of SCORE and optimal betting. You must use a betting strategy that matches the count. RC systems have a much larger range of counts, so the betting pattern must be changed.

REKO isn't more (or less) effective than HiLo. It's just easier for many people. But, everyone is different.

[RoadWarrior]

That's the point of SCORE and optimal betting. You must use a betting strategy that matches the count. RC systems have a much larger range of counts, so the betting pattern must be changed.

REKO isn't more (or less) effective than HiLo. It's just easier for many people. But, everyone is different.

REKO shows 75 SCORE for 8 deck game! which seems to be better than almost all counts under my rules and regulations that I have input! Interesting.

Is this sim done with the +2 index idea?

[Bodarc]

http://qfit.com/book/ModernBlackjackPage102.htm

[Bodarc]

Compare the difference between KO and HiLo here and also examine the penetration advantage: http://www.blackjackincolor.com/penetration3.htm

Now compare the advantage afforded by better rules here: http://www.blackjackincolor.com/penetration8.htm

As you can see, the difference in REKO and HiLo is small. The difference in penetration and rules is gigantic.

It is better to find good rules and good penetration and not worry about strategies.

[Three]

HiLo's PE is .51. But, PE isn't really meant for unbalanced strategies. And, PE is just a quick estimate anyhoo.

Norm, I had someone ask me about calculating PE. I knew how to calculate for hand matchups but didn't know the small standard set of matchups used for calculating PE. What are the matchups used to calculate the PE that is in all the charts? Is it a weighted average by hand frequency or a straight average or something else? It is about impossible to find anything on this.

Sorry about the tangent but this topic came in right on top of the question asked of me. I think it would be germane to the topic discussed anyway. If people are comparing PE they might as well know what they are comparing.

[NotEnoughHeat]

Norm, I had someone ask me about calculating PE. I knew how to calculate for hand matchups but didn't know the small standard set of matchups used for calculating PE. What are the matchups used to calculate the PE that is in all the charts? Is it a weighted average by hand frequency or a straight average or something else? It is about impossible to find anything on this.

Sorry about the tangent but this topic came in right on top of the question asked of me. I think it would be germane to the topic discussed anyway. If people are comparing PE they might as well know what they are comparing.

I too would like info on this. It would probably be awhile till I'd get to using it myself but I personally like knowing how to calculate any stats I use. I refuse to use a calculator for anything I don't already know how to do by hand, because I like to know exactly what the number I'm looking at is.

[Norm]

You'd have to go to Griffin for this. Although, he doesn't really explain it in detail.

[RoadWarrior]

Roadwarrior. for what it's worth, I have a step by step process. 1.) I run sim on the each system, exactly the way I plan to play and the exact rules in the casino.
2.) If the results for winrate and SCORE are within 10% then I go to the easier method. In my opinion, knowing when to pull the trigger and how hard to pull it is far more important than the memory and concern required for navigating through negative decks. That being said, the Ill 18 takes alot of relief from your mind.
3.) Once I've establish the system I plan to use, then I play it out - 10K hands for me but I'm a crazy F****. Playing it out on Verite is the perfect barometer to set your notions, sim suggestions, and casino play all balanced.

I know nothing about multiple decks, but if someone put a gun to my head, I'd say REKO is the way to go. 1.) It doesn't require deck estimating. I would think that DE would have a huge variance and error factor...which could be why your missing on larger bets. 2.) Norm must have created it for a reason. I would think it was to slience all the noise about blackjack systems and focus on what is most important. But you'd have to ask him.

If you worried about PE then you're going to need to jump to a complex halves count or a higher level count in order to increase PE. I don't think the difference between .51 and .55 is cause for concern. But .55 and .68 would likeley show a significant difference in volatility.

I've read the chapter in Griffens book many times and I still don't get it. Perhaps I don't need to as I'm making money at the table without a solid understanding.

I hear there are many drawbacks to unbalanced counts! Overbetting late in shoe and not betting early in the SHOE! Is this true?! I like REKO because of no deck estimation but I need to know the POWER