New "Dealer Error" Thread

RS · 02-13-2015, 01:36 AM

Originally Posted by NotEnoughHeat

Can you get into any trouble if you fail to point out dealers mistakes? A player at my table was commenting after a mistake that "$10 isn't worth getting thrown out over" and implied that he's witnessed it before. However I'm skeptical, couldn't a player just plead ignorance? If the dealer made a mistake and didn't notice, how far out there is it to really think a player didn't notice either?

What kind of "trouble"? With the casino? They can kick you out for basically anything, aside from race/religion/etc. You aren't going to get into trouble, legally speaking, for not pointing out an error. But when you're dealing with the casino and whether they're going to kick you out or not, you're not in a court room. You can claim ignorance (and hell, maybe you actually weren't paying attention!).....but they can and perhaps will still kick you out.

I wouldn't worry about getting kicked out for not pointing out a dealer's mistake.

I would worry about 2 things, well, possibly worry about:

1) Taking shots. Don't do shit like wave the hand off and say "Hit" [verbally] at the same time to try to mess up the dealer. Casinos don't like that. You might get a shot at it once, but after that, you're outta there. [I don't think this is what you're talking about, but, don't get any funny ideas!]

2) Let's say you have a big bet out there and you get paid extra on your BJ, maybe the dealer pays you out twice. Let's just say, theoretically, someone in surveillance or a floor person saw this, maybe after the fact, or even live -- but second guessed themselves whether you got paid out the first time. You certainly don't want surveillance or the floor to be watching you (or just watching the dealer) for dealer mistakes. The more they look at your table, the worse. If the casino is in your backyard and you have a good idea that they're going to review it and find out you got paid by mistake -- you might want to bring it up. If you're just there every now and again, or rarely there [or won't be back ever].....then go ahead, take the extra money!

**bigplayer** · 02-13-2015, 02:33 AM

Doubled A7 vs 3 for $1000 (total of $2000) caught a 10 for 18, dealer hit many times and made 21 and said "Dealer Busts" and paid the table. That's a $4000 in EV on one hand.

**Three** · 02-13-2015, 04:31 AM

I had a BJ and got paid 3:2. The guy next to me spilt to 4 hands and the dealer used the empty space where my hand was for one of his hands. I doubled my bet for the next round since there were lots of low cards. The dealer busts and pays my bet for the next round as well as all 4 of the bets on the split hand. That's the first BJ I ever got that paid 7:2.

**ohbehave** · 02-13-2015, 04:56 AM

Thats rich, T3!

**NotEnoughHeat** · 02-15-2015, 03:08 AM

Originally Posted by bigplayer

Doubled A7 vs 3 for $1000 (total of $2000) caught a 10 for 18, dealer hit many times and made 21 and said "Dealer Busts" and paid the table. That's a $4000 in EV on one hand.

Originally Posted by Tthree

I had a BJ and got paid 3:2. The guy next to me spilt to 4 hands and the dealer used the empty space where my hand was for one of his hands. I doubled my bet for the next round since there were lots of low cards. The dealer busts and pays my bet for the next round as well as all 4 of the bets on the split hand. That's the first BJ I ever got that paid 7:2.

lol I wish I've received mistakes on such big hands, but I'm just a lowly red chipper. The most I've ever bet is $60 on a spot.

**NotEnoughHeat** · 02-15-2015, 03:18 AM

Thanks for the input RollingStoned. I thought that was the case but I just wanted to confirm my suspicions others. I don't think I'd ever take shots, just because, like you said, you can only do them once (or at most a few times). It just isn't worth it trying to create your own mistakes. I am also fortunate enough to not have to worry about 2). The dealers tell me they don't care about counters, and one even told me that the casino can't even legally kick us out for it (the corporation that operates the casino is government owned). I also haven't seen any active counter measures (shuffling mid shoe). However there are certain policies and procedures at the higher limit tables that affect counting. Without the heat consideration, would you still take the money on mistakes? I don't see any reason not to. I'm there for the long term, but I don't have to worry about staff giving me more attention, I make my counting obvious enough already.

**Goodboy** · 02-15-2015, 02:49 PM

Originally Posted by bigplayer

Doubled A7 vs 3 for $1000 (total of $2000) caught a 10 for 18, dealer hit many times and made 21 and said "Dealer Busts" and paid the table. That's a $4000 in EV on one hand.

Sigh, I wonder why everytime I get a dealer to make a mistake like that, there's a pit boss standing right next to the table, ready to correct it. Pitfalls of playing heads up in high stakes I guess...

**Casino Kid** · 02-17-2015, 09:48 AM

Not a typical mistake described here, but it worked out well for a player. I had a 12 vs. either a 2 or 3 so hit and busted. I stood up quickly to leave and this triggered some reaction in the dealer who flipped his hole card and put his cards in the tray also. Problem is there was another player to my right who had stood on a 16 vs. the low card. Dealer called the floor over and then fished his 2 out of the tray. He drew to a 17 and the floor let the guy have a push on 16 v. 17. I don't think it was for a very big bet.

**NotEnoughHeat** · 02-17-2015, 10:57 PM

I just head of an unusual one the other day. I was playing at a $5 table with my brother and a friend. I was 3rd position, my brother 2nd and the friend 1st. My brother and I both had $50 bets on our hands (but we were betting $25 for each other). The friend had a $5 red chip. When she busted, she paid my friend a green as well.

RS · 02-18-2015, 04:55 AM

Most bizarre I've seen is dealer getting 10-7-5 and calling it a bust (why draw on hard 17)? Next most bizarre, at a break-in house where I was dealing, the floor supervisor was telling me how bad some of the dealers were. Thinking, "It can't be THAT bad", I was mistaken. Apparently the dealer had an Ace showing, insurance open / insurance closed, checked for BJ, nothing there, played out the players' hands. Dealer flips the hole card and low and behold, a Ten. Without missing a beat, he decides to start drawing cards. I forget the order or which cards he drew exactly, but he drew something like a 7 then drew a Ten and "busted" (A, T, 7, T would be the order), and paid the hole table. Oh yeah, that same dealer also dealt an entire double-deck in reverse order, pitching cards from dealer's right to dealer's left. Every double-deck before and after that were in proper order (dealer left to right).

**BugsySeagull** · 03-23-2015, 03:11 PM

I need to know if did the right thing here. The other day I was at my regular place and I had 3X my base unit out and table was nearly full. I get a blackjack, and the dealer pays me for it, and I take the winnings from the hand but I leave the original bet in the circle. The dealer then plays out the other players' hands. The dealer busts, and then begins to pay everyone, including me! I looked at the extra stack of chips he gave me, looked around at the other players, looked at the dealer, looked at the pit boss that was standing right there but paying attention to stuff he was entering into the computer, and then finally decided to speak up and tell the dealer he already paid me for my blackjack.

Did I do the right thing? I mean, it was 3X my base unit. But the pit boss was right there. But he wasn't looking at the table. And no other players said anything (even if they did notice). Would it have been worth the risk to just grab it? What if I had taken it but gotten tapped about it later?

**AnabelleT** · 03-23-2015, 04:45 PM

BugsySeagull, at my local casino (where I play regularly) I would've done the same thing. Yes they want my money, but I don't see the local place as an enemy and people there are nice to me, so I wouldn't want them to think I was taking advantage of a dealer error and I wouldn't want the dealer to get in trouble over it. I always tip when I'm winning, and I'm always friendly when they make mistakes against me.

In BJ it's happened a couple of times where I've noticed adding mistakes, but so far never in my favor. Fortunately I'm paying attention.

I notice most mistakes when I play Baccarat and Three Card Poker.

I know the dealing in Baccarat is hard so sometimes a tired or confused dealer will bring out another card when they're not supposed to, or not draw a card when they should. It always gets corrected because someone will always call attention to the mistake, and it messes up the numbers on the Baccarat screen so the pit boss has to come fix it.

In Three Card Poker it's happened countless times when they don't pay me the Ante Bonus bet, and when I have a pair or more and still lose the hand, we usually have to call over the pit boss (nicely) because some dealers will simply not pay it out until they're told to do so by the pit boss.

RS · 03-23-2015, 04:45 PM

Is 3X your max bet? Or is 25X your max bet? I say take it, either way. If a boss comes over and asks for it back, well, give it back (obviously don't be like "oh yeah dealer paid me wrong here u go", but " I'm not sure what u mean what happened....if that's what the eye says happened OK"). But, it's not a cut and dry situation. The "correct" thing to do varies based on lots of stuff.