Horror today...

**ZeeBabar** · 03-21-2015, 03:11 PM

Returned just now. Was playing a DD game at a local casino, $25 min., double on 9,10 and 11 only. The only redeeming fact was a 75+% penn. After some 2 hours, recovering from being down $1300 to being down just $800 when the count Is TC3. I put out $100, get a pair of 3's against a dealer up of 4. Split pair, get a 10 on first 3, another 3 on second 3. Split again, get a 10 for another 13 and then get yet another 3, split again. Get an 8 on first 3, double down and get a 7 for 18 and a 9 on last 3. I have four hands plus double down for a total of $500 on table. My hands are 13, 13, 18, 12. Dealer turns over a 10 for 14 and then hits a 5 for a total of 19, I lose all 4 hands and $500.

Now questioning whether I should have split to 4 hands in such a game. It's hard to trust the math. I am in the midst of my first serious losing streak, having lost some $5k over the last 4 sessions in about 6 hours of playing....

feeling so down!!!

**hitthat16** · 03-21-2015, 03:18 PM

Yes, you should have split.

**ZeeBabar** · 03-21-2015, 03:40 PM

Thanks. It's unfortunate but I have only one casino within 2+ hours of me and the game is crappy. There is also 6 deck games with $10 minimum but over 1.5 is being cut off and the ploppies play the side bets making for a very slow game. I keep telling myself I should be able to win with a 1-5 spread on the DD game because of the Penn but I am losing. This casino requires you to play twice minimum on one hand if you play 2 hands and it does not allow you to go to 2 hands. You can play 2 hands ($50, $25) and I tried this as well, starting with the two hands, going to one in negative or neutral counts.

**Nikky_Flash** · 03-21-2015, 04:23 PM

what do you figure gas cost for the drive ? and how do you change how you would play to make up for the cost - I'm in a similar situation usually .... I figure with EV , I should play an extra couple hours to make up for the gas money...is this what you do ? I mean me and you can't just hit and run right ?

**Three** · 03-21-2015, 07:22 PM

Those rounds splitting to 4 hands and doubling are huge swing hands if all bets have the same fate. You were looking at a $1000 swing if you won all versus lost all. Often for me it is double or triple that. It always seems to be 7's with me. I split 7's to 4 hands and get doubles on most of them. It is probably selective memory or the affect of a small sampling for these opportunities but it seems to be 7's far more frequently than any other hand. You have to go for these things and hope for the best.

**Freightman** · 03-21-2015, 08:19 PM

Originally Posted by Tthree

Those rounds splitting to 4 hands and doubling are huge swing hands if all bets have the same fate. You were looking at a $1000 swing if you won all versus lost all. Often for me it is double or triple that. It always seems to be 7's with me. I split 7's to 4 hands and get doubles on most of them. It is probably selective memory or the affect of a small sampling for these opportunities but it seems to be 7's far more frequently than any other hand. You have to go for these things and hope for the best.

Actually had that once - playing 2x350. Split hand 1 of 77 to 4 hands - all doubled, and doubled hand 2 of 8v6 with remaining 250 (I think) as a steamer (count was still true 3 or 4) didn't want to reach into my pocket for last 100 for the full double, as it would have ruined the steamer comment of as long as I'm blowing my brains out. Dealer had the good grace to bust.

**Freightman** · 03-21-2015, 08:23 PM

Originally Posted by ZeeBabar

Returned just now. Was playing a DD game at a local casino, $25 min., double on 9,10 and 11 only. The only redeeming fact was a 75+% penn. After some 2 hours, recovering from being down $1300 to being down just $800 when the count Is TC3. I put out $100, get a pair of 3's against a dealer up of 4. Split pair, get a 10 on first 3, another 3 on second 3. Split again, get a 10 for another 13 and then get yet another 3, split again. Get an 8 on first 3, double down and get a 7 for 18 and a 9 on last 3. I have four hands plus double down for a total of $500 on table. My hands are 13, 13, 18, 12. Dealer turns over a 10 for 14 and then hits a 5 for a total of 19, I lose all 4 hands and $500.

Now questioning whether I should have split to 4 hands in such a game. It's hard to trust the math. I am in the midst of my first serious losing streak, having lost some $5k over the last 4 sessions in about 6 hours of playing....

feeling so down!!!

Zee - shit happens - I recently came off a long losing streak of unprecedented proportion - more than 3sd on wrong side of bell curve. can't say it didn't bug me, because it did. Expect these things and practice sound bankroll management. It turns around - it always does.

**ellenc** · 03-21-2015, 09:49 PM

this is totally unreal, tc is 3, total of 8 cards dealt, only 2 cards being 10( even in tc 0, should have more 10 randomly), especially the dealer miraculously get a small card. like it or not, either the count is wrong or simply it is not your normal day, get up and leave, re-group and play another day.

RS · 03-21-2015, 10:32 PM

Originally Posted by ellenc

this is totally unreal, tc is 3, total of 8 cards dealt, only 2 cards being 10( even in tc 0, should have more 10 randomly), especially the dealer miraculously get a small card. like it or not, either the count is wrong or simply it is not your normal day, get up and leave, re-group and play another day.

I'm not a math wizard or anything, but a TC of +3 isn't a whole lot different (deck composition wise) than a TC of 0. It's just 3 extra little cards removed per deck from a regular deck.

Out of 8 cards, you'd expect about 2.6 Tens. I think.

**muckz** · 03-21-2015, 10:51 PM

Two threads on losing absurd amounts of money on >10% edge games? I'm calling that the casinos are cheating!

**Goodboy** · 03-22-2015, 01:11 AM

Originally Posted by muckz

Two threads on losing absurd amounts of money on >10% edge games? I'm calling that the casinos are cheating!

Over 10% edge games? Where did I miss that piece of information? And more important... where are those games?

**Three** · 03-22-2015, 07:09 AM

Originally Posted by Freightman

Dealer had the good grace to bust.

Had the dealer done that on both the rounds I split to 4 hands I would have had a $6,000 swing for the results of that shoe and I would be telling the story of this great about $3K win in 20 minutes instead of losing over $3K. That is just the nature of our endeavor.

**Three** · 03-22-2015, 07:16 AM

Originally Posted by Freightman

Zee - shit happens - I recently came off a long losing streak of unprecedented proportion - more than 3sd on wrong side of bell curve. can't say it didn't bug me, because it did. Expect these things and practice sound bankroll management. It turns around - it always does.

I once lost a third of my BR because of a nasty downturn that hit exactly when I resized my bets to larger bets after a long winning run. It took a little over a week to lose the money after 6 months of compiling it. Then I had to go through drawdown to protect my BR and got it back slowly at my old bet level. That was a double whammy. Really bad results just for the period I was betting at a resized aggressive spread.