Checks Play, calling it in

[counter19]

I hope you mean betting $100 not betting black. You shouldn't bet black when you bet $100. Every casino tracks black chips. I would bet less than $100. 1-10 spread will often get attention and may not be tolerated at most DD games.

If their 4D game is that good and they are busy hawking their great DD game I would play the shoe game. If you keep attacking the DD game you won't be able to play either game. It won't be hard not to play there after that. You canbet they already hav a pretty good idea about what you are doing.

Grrrrrr…….I meant to say betting $100, not betting black. I never bet black. Sorry for the confusion.

With regards to 6D, I think they still call in a $100 bet, but going to 2 hands eliminates that problem. Incidentally, the 2D allows MSE and you can even bet 2 spots anytime in the game, even after the first hand has been dealt. I don't do either one of these things though because that to me says that you are just asking for trouble. I might as well pull down my pants and moon them if I did that.

[counter19]

I doubt it's the cheques play that gets the call upstairs-- it almost assuredly is the 1 to 10 spread. Where in the world do they have a DD game with late surrender? I'd like to play that game.

No. They only make a call when $100 comes out. It happens often and appears to be quite routine for them, like something they just have to do. They don't appear all worried or glare at you. They just appear to do it like every other job responsibility that they have.
I have watched them enough to know this. Their 2D did not even used to be as flexible as it is now. They have actually loosened the rules.

[counter19]

In my neck of the woods, low limit tables have table max of either 100 or 200. In my red chip days a couple of stores even had $50 table max. In those days, the magic number for heat was a bet for $100. With a min bet of $5, my max bet was 2x90. I survived for years.

if you must bid $100, then 4 green vs 1 black. The black chip, at a low limit table will generate a checks pkay, whereas 4 green may not.

I think that I am going to go with your previous strategy. $90 bets all the way. I also agree with you on the green. Sometimes the dealers do not yell out checks play for this, but most do.
I was in there not long ago and threw down a $100 bet right in front of the pit boss. I don't think they called that one in. Wouldn't you know it, I got a blackjack. Did not appear to phase them on that particular move.

Regardless, I think it's $90 max time.

[Aslan]

No. They only make a call when $100 comes out. It happens often and appears to be quite routine for them, like something they just have to do. They don't appear all worried or glare at you. They just appear to do it like every other job responsibility that they have.
I have watched them enough to know this. Their 2D did not even used to be as flexible as it is now. They have actually loosened the rules.

What I am trying to say is that if you went to the same table and flat bet $100 you would still get "cheques play" but you would not necessarily get a call to the EITS, especially after they established that you were a $100 min bettor.

[Three]

I see an issue you can improve on. You didn't know the procedure after playing a lot when it didn't apply to you. That tells me you aren't paying the kind of attention you should be to your surroundings. this is most likely because you are obviously paying a lot of attention to the cards. You should have known what was common procedure in the pit before it applied to you. The fact that you didn't says you aren't paying attention like you should be.

[moo321]

I see an issue you can improve on. You didn't know the procedure after playing a lot when it didn't apply to you. That tells me you aren't paying the kind of attention you should be to your surroundings. this is most likely because you are obviously paying a lot of attention to the cards. You should have known what was common procedure in the pit before it applied to you. The fact that you didn't says you aren't paying attention like you should be.

Really, really good advice! Pay attention to your surroundings, so you'll know what is out of the ordinary.

[counter19]

I see an issue you can improve on. You didn't know the procedure after playing a lot when it didn't apply to you. That tells me you aren't paying the kind of attention you should be to your surroundings. this is most likely because you are obviously paying a lot of attention to the cards. You should have known what was common procedure in the pit before it applied to you. The fact that you didn't says you aren't paying attention like you should be.

I think you're half right. I am really REALLY good at being social at the table while counting so I don't believe that I appear to be staring at the cards too much. This I believe is crucial for a frequent rated player. As far as knowing their procedures, I can not see what they are doing at EVERY table. I recently just happened to be sitting at the table that gives me a good view of their screen. To see what they are doing at all times I have to be at certain tables. Any other move on my part would be too obvious (while playing).

[moo321]

I think you're half right. I am really REALLY good at being social at the table while counting so I don't believe that I appear to be staring at the cards too much. This I believe is crucial for a frequent rated player. As far as knowing their procedures, I can not see what they are doing at EVERY table. I recently just happened to be sitting at the table that gives me a good view of their screen. To see what they are doing at all times I have to be at certain tables. Any other move on my part would be too obvious (while playing).

General advice: pay attention to the casino, especially procedure. You should notice ANYTHING out of the ordinary with procedure. Finding a vulnerability often begins with noticing something out of ordinary with procedure. I've gotten several strong games from just walking past a game and noticing a different procedure.

[Dog Hand]

General advice: pay attention to the casino, especially procedure. You should notice ANYTHING out of the ordinary with procedure. Finding a vulnerability often begins with noticing something out of ordinary with procedure. I've gotten several strong games from just walking past a game and noticing a different procedure.

Along these same lines, sometimes useful information can be gleaned by asking the dealers about their procedures. For example, I play at a casino that uses ASMs for the pitch games. Just before the dealer switches the decks, she always breaks the "used" shoe in half and rotates one of the halves 180 degrees clockwise, then restacks the shoe and loads it into the machine. I have asked a dozen dealers at this casino WHY they rotate half the deck, but I have not gotten anything more coherent than, "That's what they tell me to do." What I gathered from this exercise is that the dealers don't know why they're supposed to do this, which greatly increases the likelihood that they will fail to do it (or do it properly), which leads to potential vulnerabilities, ...

Dog Hand

[Three]

You are right about the dealers not being told why they are supposed to do things. I assume you know why they rotate the cards. If not ask a poker pro that also plays table games. I have had dealers not follow pretty important procedures as instructed. They go through the motions but without understanding why things are done they often fail to protect the game despite doing what they think they were told to do.

[muckz]

It's safe to assume nearly all floor/face personnel do not know why they do most things.

[paymypush]

So I have played at a casino recently where I was spreading 1-10. My big bet is $100 and I get the "checks play" thing. When they say this, the pit boss goes to the phone, pushes a button, and quickly tells whoever is on the other line my spot at the table and my bet. This tells me that they routinely let surveillance know when someone is betting black.

Me no like this.

I left the table after I showed my big bet twice in a row. What would you do in this circumstance? I was thinking about either pulling my bet down to $90 or always leaving after my big bet. Note: I play rated.
This is DD by the way (though they do this too on 6 deck). 75% pen, DOA, DAS, NRSA, late surrender.
I haven't had a problem yet but have been kicking their butts for a while now. I have been playing there for over a year, but I spotted the pit boss as he just finished writing (or perhaps reading) some notes about me on their screen (you can see the screen from outside). I could be wrong on the notes though. There may be notes for everybody for all I know and maybe they don't have anything to do with play.

Regardless, I was thinking of not playing there for a while. It's hard not to though, I can't find rules and penetration better than this anywhere. Even on their 6D they cut off only 3/4 of a deck!

Try betting $20 off the top and give the illusion of a 1-5 spread. You can always go back to $10.

[counter19]

General advice: pay attention to the casino, especially procedure. You should notice ANYTHING out of the ordinary with procedure. Finding a vulnerability often begins with noticing something out of ordinary with procedure. I've gotten several strong games from just walking past a game and noticing a different procedure.

Thanks moo. I honestly think I know everything that I could know at this particular moment. I even try to fish out information from dealers that I get along with really well. There is one in particular that doubles as a pit boss and dealer. I of course have to make sure to ask in such a way that they do not have suspicions as to why I am asking.
I often will ask them what the craziest thing is that they have ever seen at the blackjack table. They always love telling stories like this. When they finish the story, I often ask them how often people get kicked out and for what. I ask with a tone that I believe makes them think that I am just wanting a dose of sensationalism through gossip. Of course, what I really want to know is if anybody has ever been kicked out for counting. As of yet, nobody has ever told me anything about a counter and I just won't ask directly. They may not even know if somebody has or not because the powers that be may not want them to know.
I do however happen to know that if you ask them why they call when someone bets $100, they will tell you that they are not allowed to say.