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    Quote Originally Posted by DiceDealer View Post
    The reason that the casino wins in the long run is that there is an inherent advantage for them and they have enough money to withstand high amounts of variance in the short run.
    They also reach N0 a hell of a lot quicker than we could ever wish.

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    If all of us could win $300 a day using your system, we wouldn't be here!

    Past outcomes normally don't affect future outcomes, but since the cards aren't shuffled after each hand, it's possible to track which cards have been played and calculate the probability of winning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alwayssplitaces View Post
    If all of us could win $300 a day using your system, we wouldn't be here!

    Past outcomes normally don't affect future outcomes, but since the cards aren't shuffled after each hand, it's possible to track which cards have been played and calculate the probability of winning.
    That only applies to events that are truly random, such as a roll of the dice or a flip of the coin. Because you can track the cards that have been dealt results become predictable to an extent. You can determine with accuracy the potential outcome thus reducing randomness. In the instance of progression betting, it's essentially the same as playing a shoe that has 1000 decks and after each hand all the cards are shuffled back together. You are assuming that since you lost X hands in a row that statistically you are "due" to win although that isn't the case. The house edge is a system that can be defined in entropy. Playing one hand for every ten hands that are dealt is only going mean that the entropy takes place over a scale ten times as long.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AussiePlayer View Post
    They also reach N0 a hell of a lot quicker than we could ever wish.
    They don't reach it quicker per se (i.e. in terms of hands played). They just play several times as many hands as we do, multiplied by dozens of times as many tables as we're capable of playing.

    I'm guessing (because I can't find a good explanation) that N0 refers to 'getting into the long run', or the point at which variance no longer swamps the average?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frostbyte View Post
    They don't reach it quicker per se (i.e. in terms of hands played). They just play several times as many hands as we do, multiplied by dozens of times as many tables as we're capable of playing.

    I'm guessing (because I can't find a good explanation) that N0 refers to 'getting into the long run', or the point at which variance no longer swamps the average?
    N0 is the "end" of the long run, " the number of hands needed to obtain a result reasonably close to the expected result."

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    Quote Originally Posted by DiceDealer View Post
    N0 is the "end" of the long run, " the number of hands needed to obtain a result reasonably close to the expected result."
    Sort of; N0 is the number of hands required to overcome 1 standard deviation. Unfortunately, sometimes the 'long run' is longer than that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AussiePlayer View Post
    Sort of; N0 is the number of hands required to overcome 1 standard deviation. Unfortunately, sometimes the 'long run' is longer than that.
    I put quotes around "end" because there really isn't an end to the long run.

    Basically, number of hands need to approximately "get there"

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    I suspect that a casino's N0, when measured in rounds, and at blackjack only, is higher than ours. I believe this is the case because the bet spread a casino encounters is much larger than than what an individual counter plays. The next factor depends entirely on what the average house edge is experienced across all players. This is probably where my argument falls apart. If the casino has a smaller advantage than a counter, that's another way their N0 would be larger.

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    They play like a team of hundreds of counters maybe thousands. If you measure a round as 1 dealer hand dealt at all open tables a big casinos during a busy time will get in hundreds of hands per round and the way most people play or should I say misplay their edge is much higher than ours.

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    No I measured it as 1 round at 1 table. The fact that there are so many tables makes it so they quickly play many rounds per second. Regardless of that I'm entirely agreeing with you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Most Interesting Man View Post
    No I measured it as 1 round at 1 table. The fact that there are so many tables makes it so they quickly play many rounds per second. Regardless of that I'm entirely agreeing with you.
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