first BO....

[MidwestTom]

Well, my first BO occurred tonight. I took what I planned to be a 3-day trip to a casino that I woln’t mention on here and was spreading 1-10 at a green level for less than 4 shoes and got the tap. I don’t count the amount of times I bet my max, nor my super max bets per session but the only shoe that was negative was the first one. For the main part I flat bet the first half of the first shoe and towards the end I started “progressively”betting because the Floor Sup was hawking me. The first shoe I bet 4 units 3x & won all three. The second shoe took off from the start. I was awarded a +4 TC and began what I was hoping the floor sup would think was a“progressive” system but instead he walked over, changed my min-max bet in thekiosk and then proceeded to another table ( when he was fooling with the kiosk I made sure to tip, only nickels but a tip is a tip.) I bet the 4 units at a negative count because I didn’t want my 8 or 10 unit wager to look obvious and I was getting hawked from the start. About 45 minutes later I got a tap and the suit said “Have you ever been here before?” I told him yes, it’s my favorite place to play poker and blackjack. He followed up by saying I was not welcome there to gamble (never mentioned “anything but blackjack”) but he said gamble as a whole. I played dumb and said Sir, did I do something wrong? He said no,we just don’t want your action here and he went on to tell me that there are other casinos within driving distance… I looked at the Dealer in disbelief and then proceeded to color up and head to my car. I have never been BO’d and honestly don’t think I’ve ever encountered any serious heat where I frequent most. I will note that my last visit to this casino I played as a N/R after having my passport scanned upon entering the place by security. Also, I have never played poker there or any other Table Game. I bought in for $2000 this time and last time I bought in for $500 to play $15 min. I lost $460 that trip, but played as a refusal moving only nickels with the count (first week they opened) . Now, I returned 4-5 months later and got the boot. Did I do something that would have alerted surveillance? I did not expose my super max, and don’t think I bet my max bet more than 6 times playing heads up. Was it something to do with the floor supervisor updating my wager? As many of you know up to this point I believed that tipping increased longevity in a store, obviously not in this occurrence. It’s very early to assume but since the BO I logged 3 hours at aneighbor store, therefore, I don’t think I was placed In OSN, Griff, or BIOM..I’d hate to become one of the paranoid BJ players and have to rely on learning other AP plays…..

[RS]

You were spreading "1-10", but you also state you had a round with 3 hands of 4 units? If you min-bet $25, is your spread from 1 hand of $25 to 3 hands of $250? Or 3x$25 to 3x$250?

I wouldn't ever play 3 hands, and I especially would never spread from 1 hand to 3 hands, even if it was a few rounds of 1 hand, a few rounds of 2 hands, then going to 3 hands.

Spread vertically, not horizontally.

[MidwestTom]

You were spreading "1-10", but you also state you had a round with 3 hands of 4 units? If you min-bet $25, is your spread from 1 hand of $25 to 3 hands of $250? Or 3x$25 to 3x$250?

I wouldn't ever play 3 hands, and I especially would never spread from 1 hand to 3 hands, even if it was a few rounds of 1 hand, a few rounds of 2 hands, then going to 3 hands.

Spread vertically, not horizontally.

Sorry as I reread that it does come off as misleading. To clarify, I bet 4 units three separate times and won all three on the negative shoe while the floor sup watched. 25-250/1 spot. I only play two spots at lower level games.

[hitthat16]

Your buy in sizes are too big. Buy in for what the masses would buy in for. For example how often do you see someone buy in for $500 at a $15 table? Usually it's just $100 or maybe $200.

Did you buy in for 2 grand at the same table limit? Cause if you did everyone's eyes were immediately on you.

[Dog Hand]

<snip> He followed up by saying I was not welcome there to gamble (never mentioned “anything but blackjack”) but he said gamble as a whole. <snip>

MidwestTom,

Fortunately, he gave you an "out", since as AP's, we aren't "gambling".

Reminds me of a long-ago backoff, when the nervous PC told me, "Uh, sir, I have to tell you no more blackjack today". I took that to heart, and never again played BJ there... that day.

Hope this helps!

Dog Hand

[moo321]

1. Break your posts up into paragraphs of a few sentences each. Makes it a lot easier to read.

2. You bought in for way too much.

3. If they tap you, don't give any information. Just hit the door. Never ask to play other games. If you're a regular at poker, I doubt anyone will care if you head straight to the poker room on another shift in a week, and on that shift in a month or two. But if you ask about poker, they may back you off from poker right there.

[Three]

I bought in for $2000 this time and last time I bought in for $500 to play $15 min.

This could be the genesis of your problems. What $15 player buys in for $2K or even $500?

[Nikky_Flash]

sorry to hear it tom - not to beat a dead horse , but when you said your buy in was $2000 for that game , I was surprised as well ...that would get my attention ... wouldnt surprise me if that - after the refusal ...really "started the eye on you " , hope you find somewhere you like just as much ...

[MidwestTom]

Your buy in sizes are too big. Buy in for what the masses would buy in for. For example how often do you see someone buy in for $500 at a $15 table? Usually it's just $100 or maybe $200.

Did you buy in for 2 grand at the same table limit? Cause if you did everyone's eyes were immediately on you.

No, I bought in for $500 months ago to play15 min, and $2000 for $25 min.

[MidwestTom]

1. Break your posts up into paragraphs of a few sentences each. Makes it a lot easier to read.

2. You bought in for way too much.

3. If they tap you, don't give any information. Just hit the door. Never ask to play other games. If you're a regular at poker, I doubt anyone will care if you head straight to the poker room on another shift in a week, and on that shift in a month or two. But if you ask about poker, they may back you off from poker right there.

Sorry Moo, typing on the go. What would be the appropriate buy in, in your opinion ?

[MidwestTom]

This could be the genesis of your problems. What $15 player buys in for $2K or even $500?

I see it all the time, didn't think it'd be an eye catcher since half the place is betting black/purple.

[MidwestTom]

Tom. I picked up on 3 points very quickly in your thread. 1.) Yes, the first time is always memorable and unbelievable. 2.) Using your words. Next time, or whenever you feel that sensation of being "hawked" you should be "progressively" leaving. 3.) Keep playing. Keep improving. You'll get their. Paranoid is not necessarily a bad thing. Given the choice of the two paranoid or back-offered, I'll take paranoid as it's just a beginning to an end. Back-offed is "The End."

Yeah good point . It's crazy how I read that a lot of you guys show up, scout things out, and if things look shaky you'll avoid the game . I need to improve in this area, although the only "warning sign" I seen was him eyeing me .

[Dieter]

$2000 for $25 min.

Most of the time, I see green players buy in for about $500, and rebuy as needed. $2000 total, but only $500 at a time.

Ratholing should be very doable.