Worst Las Vegas Hotels, Casinos

**mjbballar23** · 04-03-2015, 09:34 AM

Originally Posted by hitthat16

There really needs to be more backlash by the public on this nonsense. Real blackjack should not be reserved for only high rollers.

Too bad the public as a whole is too stupid to know the difference.

99.9% of people in casinos are degenerates, the difference between .5% house edge and 1.5% house edge on blackjack means nothing to them (literally, they cannot conceptualize what that means). The quality of the drink service is much more important.

**MJGolf** · 04-03-2015, 09:50 AM

Originally Posted by Aslan

VP went to 6:5?

Really? I even found a 9/6 game at the Wynn!

Lion Man, I think he was talking about Venetian and Palazzo hotels/casinos. Not their video poker. They went to 6-5 BJ across the board. Suckx!!

**Norm** · 04-03-2015, 09:58 AM

Suppose a recreational player visits LV for a weekend and plays 1,000 hands, flat-betting, playing basic strategy with some errors, six-deck, H17, DAS. The range of results with 95% confidence would be:

-82 to 62 units

OK, suppose it’s 6:5 BJ?

-95 to 47 units

Frankly, despite the enormous hit 6:5 makes to the odds, the average player wouldn’t even notice. And, he wouldn’t want to spend his weekend searching out a better game, or risk playing at substantially greater stakes to see better rules.

6:5 is criminal in my mind. But, it’s not so simple to explain this to someone that plays an occasional weekend, as luck has so much more to do with his results.

**Three** · 04-03-2015, 12:14 PM

Most players notice the first time they are shorted on a BJ by being paid 6:5. That is pretty hard not to notice and only an idiot wouldn't understand what that means. If you bet $15 a hand and get $18 instead of $22.50 (a $4.50/BJ difference)and after Norm's 1000 hands get about 50 BJ's they lost $225 on those hands during their weekend trip.

**Norm** · 04-03-2015, 12:22 PM

Apparently, there are rather a large number of idiots.

**21forme** · 04-03-2015, 01:25 PM

Apparently, it is not as intuitively obvious as T3 believes. A friend of mine is a CPA and tax atty. When he told me about a recent trip to Vegas and described where he played, I asked, "aren't those games paying 6:5 on blackjack?" His answer was, "Yes, so what? How often do you get a BJ?" Of course I answered once every 21 hands.

**MJGolf** · 04-03-2015, 01:39 PM

I'm with T-Three on this one. BUT there ARE a lot of idiots out there. It's not that they DON'T notice however, it's just that in our society MOST folks don't want to rock the boat. They can sure tell the difference between being paid $15 on their $10 bet v being paid only $12. The problem is they will NOT express their disdain for it; continue playing and figure there is nothing to do about it. I don't believe most folks playing any games know what odds are or payback percentages or house edge, etc. Try explaining the difference that single zero or double zero roulette wheels make in payback and you might get a "glazed look" in their eyes.

But I think that most people notice the reduction in payback on blackjack. They just don't know what they can do about it. Vegas was able to take advantage of the general idea that "single deck" was so much better than multi deck, that they slid this one in on EVERYONE over time. I just CAN'T believe how many people will play MULTI-deck that pays 6-5, too....or now.

**Marlene** · 04-03-2015, 01:48 PM

"My gambling money is all gone? That means more time to just drink!"

Seriously we are talking about a society that keeps running balances on high interest rate CCs or lives off triple digit interest rate payday loans.

**tjr5259** · 04-03-2015, 02:32 PM

I've never been to Vegas but plan on going. It sounds like it's not even worth it the way everyone is talking. I've never seen a 6:5 table but if I did I would loudly voice my opinion and maybe cause a scene. The casinos steal people's money already there is no need for 6:5. The general public needs to be made aware of the issue imo.

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**Aslan** · 04-04-2015, 01:24 PM

Originally Posted by hitthat16

...Real blackjack should not be reserved for only high rollers....

Are you saying it is bad business to cater to those who have the most money to gamble?

**Aslan** · 04-04-2015, 01:27 PM

Originally Posted by MJGolf

Lion Man, I think he was talking about Venetian and Palazzo hotels/casinos. Not their video poker. They went to 6-5 BJ across the board. Suckx!!

LOL Truly so! I sincerely thought he meant video poker. Their low limit games have never been attractive, but they did have some excellent $50 and higher games. Don't tell me they are all gone, as well! Might just as well play war.

**Three** · 04-04-2015, 01:34 PM

High limit players generally won't play crappy games. The way a casino can assure its own death is to turn the high limit games to crap or use shuffle machines or anything else these players don't like. They know the can find a different casino that will value their business. Many will negotiate their own rules if they play at high enough bets.