Worst Las Vegas Hotels, Casinos

**biggg** · 03-23-2015, 09:16 PM

I think 6:5 shoes are here to stay and minimums to get a decent game will probably increase. As big as it is for us for most random degenerates the difference is losing 3.5 bets per 100 hands instead of 1.5 (I assume players are horrible and give up 1% to the house). Most people who play 4-6 hours a trip won't know the difference as the cost is something like 100-200 per trip and variance is much higher than that. I guarantee you if you asked the average bj player they would think H17 was better for the player...with 6:5 it is more obvious but most still won't notice.t higher limits players know they can get a fair game elsewhere and demand more for their player, most won't put up with 6:5 although some still will...I have seen big action at 6:5.

Harrahs did a similar test a while back with loose slots vs tight slots and found that most gamblers can't tell the difference. So now we get 90% payout slots instead of 95%.

**Three** · 03-24-2015, 05:01 AM

Originally Posted by biggg

Harrahs did a similar test a while back with loose slots vs tight slots and found that most gamblers can't tell the difference. So now we get 90% payout slots instead of 95%.

How did they determine they can't tell the difference? The ride to their loss will be different. They will notice that their money doesn't last as long and without knowing why many will decide their disposable income is better spent in other forms. So they used to be able to play 3 days to expect to lose their trip BR. Now they expect to play 2 but in actuality the play less than that because that is an average. They will bust out due to wings quicker. Now their 3 days of entertainment will be more like a day trip budget. Who isn't going to notice that? They may not notice as they play but they notice over time. They either go elsewhere, quit playing or play their money slower. They aren't going to bring more money. Just the degenerates do that. I guess this explains why Harrah's/CET's slot revenue has taken the biggest hit as slot revenues decline. It may explain why slot revenues went into decline. Unless you feel like you can win on a trip you probably aren't going to go. Caisnos are always dum enough and greedy enough tokill their own revenue source.

**Siwwy Wabbit** · 03-24-2015, 03:17 PM

Hate to break it to you, but 1) Nearly all casino patrons don't care at all whether BJs pay 3:2 or 6:5, 2) No, they don't notice the increased loss; 3) So many people in Vegas casinos are binge-drinking clubdouches and are too busy walking into walls and puking on other people to care about the odds.

**bjarg** · 03-24-2015, 07:38 PM

Originally Posted by Siwwy Wabbit

1) Nearly all casino patrons don't care at all whether BJs pay 3:2 or 6:5.

Totally.

**Three** · 03-24-2015, 09:10 PM

Originally Posted by Siwwy Wabbit

Hate to break it to you, but 1) Nearly all casino patrons don't care at all whether BJs pay 3:2 or 6:5, 2) No, they don't notice the increased loss; 3) So many people in Vegas casinos are binge-drinking clubdouches and are too busy walking into walls and puking on other people to care about the odds.

I wasn't talking about Vegas.

**21forme** · 03-25-2015, 06:07 AM

Speaking of Vegas (this is a thread about Vegas, right?), there's a post on BJ21 that says MGM Grand just went to 6:5 on all their games with a min less than $25.

**mcallister3200** · 03-25-2015, 09:04 AM

All luxor shoe games are now 6:5, they converted their 3:2 pit as of about 3 weeks ago. It's getting pretty bad on the strip.

**aggressive** · 03-25-2015, 09:24 AM

from the looks of it, it looks like all the major strip hotels have no decent games below 50 minimum? haven't been to vegas in about two years but i'll be heading there soon and now I'm starting to regret it lol. i guess i'll just milk what i can from my comps and be done with it

**Aslan** · 03-25-2015, 06:35 PM

It's not that the math changes with a $50 min game, but that the house's advantage lies in the greater prospect that few have the requisite $50,000 bankroll to attempt card counting at the $50 min level, yet many will nevertheless try to do so. Attempting to beat casinos without an adequate bankroll is is a prelude to calamity. Some will escape, but the majority will fail. This raising of the min bet seems to be a widespread push by the casinos. When the choice of most card counters is reduced to either a bad decision or a worse decision the casino is in the catbird seat.

**MJGolf** · 03-31-2015, 07:33 PM

Originally Posted by Alexander

Its amazing for us to have these kind of experiences. The basic thing is to have the maximum knowledge especially when you are into these things. This is the way how it has to be because when i went to bus new york to niagara falls i was not aware of much but it worked all for me.

Really? Norm?

**Siwwy Wabbit** · 04-02-2015, 08:46 PM

Originally Posted by 21forme

Speaking of Vegas (this is a thread about Vegas, right?), there's a post on BJ21 that says MGM Grand just went to 6:5 on all their games with a min less than $25.

Even MGM's $25 shoe games are 6:5 except for the S17 games near the high limit area, which are sometimes $25 but more often $50. A 3-2 game at Mirage is $50 and it's H17.

For you conspiracy-theory folks, the move by MGM Resorts to 6:5 happened 3/24/15, about a year to the day after V/P went to 6:5.

**Aslan** · 04-03-2015, 01:09 AM

VP went to 6:5?

Really? I even found a 9/6 game at the Wynn!

**hitthat16** · 04-03-2015, 08:23 AM

There really needs to be more backlash by the public on this nonsense. Real blackjack should not be reserved for only high rollers.

Too bad the public as a whole is too stupid to know the difference.