As I end my first year of keeping records and devoting more time to BJ (I still have another full time job) and getting my first "you cannot play Bj here" (by manager), I am thinking of having a few fake IDs. Course I would never use it with law enforcement but could use it to get players card or show casino officials if asked.
How does one get a fake ID. What are ways to do it?
I'm not even from Vegas , never even played blackjack in Vegas yet and I can probably tell you exactly where zeebar was ...... how does that place keep attracting counters ? unicorns and lolipops on the felt , extra schoushy chairs , a beautiful incense aroma , feeding you grapes while a half naked playboy bunny fans you with a leaf ... I bet that's it .
Last edited by Nikky_Flash; 12-29-2014 at 09:16 AM.
Just don't do it. You'll wind up getting yourself arrested. Show it to casino officials??? Are you F'n kidding me? You don't play at high enough stakes to warrant using these things (the risk/reward doesn't work out). Not to mention you play a very soft game (for comps) and have little chance of being backed off anywhere and those that will back you off will do it again really quickly when you play with a new name. At your home store you visit so often that changing your name won't help you, they know you're name already and can probably rate you even if you don't have your players card.Originally Posted by ZeeBabar
Listen to KJ and BP before you get yourself in real trouble. At one time I thought I wanted fake id. After reading all the related posts here, GC, and blackjackinfo realized it was just better to play unrated. At our betting level most everywhere doesn't give a shat if you don't have a card and comps are not worth playing with one anyway. But you gotta get off those DD tables, they're traps, and the ev is usually not any better than 6 deck, just walk on by.
If you know what you're doing, you wont ever need a fake ID, BUT, it's going to be hard work if you ever want to make serious money in this endeavor purely card counting. You're going to have to travel a lot and be in and out. What do I mean by in and out? You're going to have to play short sessions and hit them hard when you do through either wonging in and out or just wonging out, but once you show your spread once or even twice, get out and dont return on that same shift for weeks. The object is obviously to show your face as little as possible so they dont remember you. As you can see you're going to have to mix up a lot of shifts and stores to get your hours in, which is precisely why I said it's going to be hard work to make serious stakes just pure counting.
To be efficient and to limit your airfare expense traveling all over the place to get your hours in, vegas is going to be your best friend using this approach. You then could use your airfare expense for the weekends where you can travel to the midwest where they supposedly have the countries best games.
Also to answer your question about the fake IDs, it's best to take advice of the long time pros here including bigplayer, tthree, KJ, Flash, and of course Norm as they have the most real time playing experience and can give you a better answer than most of the posters on here. In my opinion, if you know what you're doing you can get away with the fake ID but you better have a plan to utilize it efficiently to the point where you're 100% sure you wont get caught, and of course have a plan if you do ever get caught. Good luck
Last edited by ZenKinG; 12-30-2014 at 05:05 PM.
[QUOTE=KJ;148985]Don't even think about it Zeebabar. I read your thread on greenchip and multiple ID's is not the answer for you. If anything you are going to get yourself into more trouble. A better way to go is to start identifying what casinos and games are intolerant and avoid them or stay within their low tolerance level and avoid your backoffs all together.
I was going to post a couple thoughts to that thread on GC but since I am addressing you here in this post will share my thoughts here. For those that don't know, Zee, posted about a his first back off which occurred in Vegas at a store that is fairly sweaty playing DD, which is also know for being pretty sweaty in Vegas. He played for an hour and was backed off after his session. So, Zee, you played a game, DD, which is difficult to play in Vegas because of intolerance. Many of us that play Vegas regularly, either don't play much DD or forgo it completely because there are only a few places where you aren't hawked. So you played a game that is watched closely at a store known to be sweaty and are surprised at a backoff.
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KJ:
while I did end up winning $1575 during my 5 day trip, I did not explain myself well. I am a protege of yours ( even if you do not know it). I had played the same conservative style with the same mild spread at many casinos in the Midwest (Minneapolis, Iowa casinos, St. Louis, Tunica) for longer periods with no back offs. My trip to Vegas was with family and I really was not aggressive. In the casino I got backed off, my winnings came from one bet of $125 that led to a split and a double (win of $375). I played at least a half hour more, mildly going 1-3 or $25-$75 and left the table with a $400 total win after an hour of playing. I never expected problems.
I mostly played DD games at several other strip casinos, as well as one station casino and the Palms and did not get into any trouble. I did notice that heat is far more extensive in Vegas. I thought I would not get heat at a prominent casino with such a small max bet at a time when lots of tables were in action but u guess DD gets extra scrutiny.
i have to get more comfortable playing 6 deck games at $25 min. Since my trip was during the busy Vegas period and $10 tables were crowded, I played at DD games. On my home turf, I play $10 min 6deck games and in play all style (since there are few tables anyway) with $10 in negative counts and 2 x$20 when count turns positive, going higher but within tolerance levels, maybe 2x $80 as max.
Not to yet ready to substitute $25 units for $10 units.
Still learning. I am glad I posted on the GC pages and heard as I immediately quit that casino chain after the BO.
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You then could use your airfare expense for the weekends where you can travel to the midwest where they supposedly have the countries best games.
Who fed you that line of s***? Midwest is mainly H17, NS, NRSA and poor pen. I'll admit that there are exceptions but they are few and far between and I'm certainly not giving them up here.
If you don't mind driving a LOT you could actually have a pretty good rotation of above average games in the midwest. It's just what I'm planning to do this summer but I have the advantages of loving to drive, a nice vehicle that gets good gas mileage, friends to see in most of those areas (along with favorite fishing spots) and knowledge of the best opportunities.
"Heat" isn't nearly as prevalent as in LV but part of that is due to the mostly lower quality games.
Bottom line is----------put your driving gloves on if you want to have a viable plan for any amount of midwestern play.
Last edited by muffdiver; 12-31-2014 at 01:01 PM. Reason: added last paragraph
Midwest player here, I played in almost all of the "Midwest" states last year and I can say with certainty that there's quite a few S17 games in the Midwest with very solid rules. Though most of them are NS games, I can't say for certain if I've seen a NRSA table in all of the Midwest I've played except for a single Indian casino. A good 50% or more of the games are H17, RSA, NS, DOA, and in the form of DD/6D mainly. Though, there are a few areas with S17, NS, RSA, DOA, on 4 deck, which I love to beat up when I find the time to take that long journey.
Truest words in this whole post haha. Getting 32.6 currently, big improvement from the 17.2 I was getting last year.
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