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    Quote Originally Posted by ellenc View Post
    I was in M chain house in Vegas playing DD s17, head to head in multi grave yard sesions, got back off and told that I can only flat batted. My qestion is, how long this ban will last? In all store in their chain? How about the store outside of this chain?
    Congratulations on being flat-betted. I would just avoid that particular casino while things cool down and continue to surgically strike other M properties but I would not check-in with your players card if your going to play Blackjack at the other M properties, continue to step on their toes. So how did the heat develop, were there any warning signs that the pit gave off before they enforced their draconian rule? Or was it a surprise?
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    Just noticed the OP was playing a DD game, which is likely no mid shoe entry LOL. Forget what I even said.

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    Gotta read the post before you go on a roll. Seasons Greetings.

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    Why on earth would a casino agree to never go beyond flat betting a player?

    ellenc, could you share a little more about what got you backed off? What warning signs there were and if you were playing aggressively.

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    Here is how it heppened. Got a marker for a thousand, did not talk, did not ask for a drink, even an attractive girl repeatedly offering, only concentrated what happened on the table, so I would not have known whether the black tie people were watching me. The dealers usually were senior in their sixty. At one point she made a comment"you know how to play the game". My reply was : na, l got lucky. My spread was 1 to 4, playing green chip. I was up 700, payoff the marker and left. Second session, got a marker for 500, in about half an hour, I was double, color up, about to leave, here came the backoff. A person in nice black suit seat next to me while I was waiting for the chip. He said: Mr. Xxxxxxxx, l am xxxxxxx, the casino manager , the casino decides from now on, you can only flat bet, you know what it means? My reply with a smile was: that is not fair and left.
    Indeed, I felt that way because l first started playing when l was in service stationed in Souel, Korea twenty some years ago. Over the years, only played a few times a year, always losing, paid a lot of tuition, so to speak. Until last couple years, got good at AP practice, start winning. So the casino would welcome the naive players, but ban the AP players. It's for fact, AP is from naive player, therefore, casino is oligated to allow players in all level. l use reko, it works.
    Last edited by ellenc; 12-21-2014 at 07:21 PM. Reason: add something

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    backed off 1-4 spread in green. sounds like EC. This must have been a sweaty property or you really pissed them off somehow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marlene View Post
    backed off 1-4 spread in green. sounds like EC. This must have been a sweaty property or you really pissed them off somehow.
    I am not familiar with the EC term. What does it stand for?

    And while I am at it.... what's a M property? MGM? Others?

    Thanks in advance

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    Here is a link that you can use to find who owns various casinos:

    http://www.gamingfloor.com/

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    The DD S17 is a counter trap. I'm in the same situation as you with M properties. I tested the waters by playing rated in another M property. They got to me after 2hrs. Then in another M property, got away 1hr then got busted when I came back the following night. I played unrated when I came back. I was surprised when the casino manager called me by name. Maybe the other property alerted them or something. For first offense in any of the M props you get the flat bet. Play unrated you be fine. I still play in one of the M props that hasnt caught up.

    By the way 1-4 spread ain't enough in DD. Makes me wonder how you play for them to flat bet you. Must be too obvious. I raped them for 2 yrs before they caught up.

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    Regarding the term"legally biding", I have a point, but from different point of view. When the casino welcomes a non-counter to play, takes their money knowingly because the casino has build in advantage in that particular game, the relationship between the player and the casino is established and both party are mutually agree on. Does that means a legally biding contract has been established? So this contract could not be terminated later on, when the non-counter becomes counter. Any legal profession among this forum? Could the blackjack player has bill of right that one day no casino can bar the counter?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ellenc View Post
    Could the blackjack player has bill of right that one day no casino can bar the counter?
    This has happened in some places but the results were worse for APs not better.

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    Isn't that ironic that we have a large market for BJ counter publication, to educate the public to beat the game. However, the publisher fails to, or in a lesser degree, to inform the readers that once they master the counting technique, in reality, they could not put it into use, they would be bar from playing. Because the current law allows the casino taking money out from the non-counters, and refusing the counters who is capable to do the reverse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ellenc View Post
    Isn't that ironic that we have a large market for BJ counter publication, to educate the public to beat the game. However, the publisher fails to, or in a lesser degree, to inform the readers that once they master the counting technique, in reality, they could not put it into use, they would be bar from playing. Because the current law allows the casino taking money out from the non-counters, and refusing the counters who is capable to do the reverse.
    I think most, if not all, books touch on this subject. Although they word it a bit differently than you have.
    "Everyone wants to be rich, but nobody wants to work for it." -Ryan Howard [The Office]

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