question on wonging sims w/ cvdata

**Davis** · 08-24-2012, 02:21 PM

Greetings All! Happy to post my first question. I'm trying to run sims somewhat like those of chap. 13 in "Blackjack Attack" by Don Schlesinger, i.e. white rabbit etc. I attached a screenshot. My question is this: when I have "start play" set to TC => 2, "stop play" set to TC =< 1 and "stop observing" to =< -1 and both "enter shoe multiple times" and "force shuffle on exit" checked, will the sim ONLY exit and shuffle after the stop observing value is reached? I'm worried that it also shuffles when the "stop play" value is reached as well. Any help anyone can provide is much appreciated. Also when I run these sims, I get win rates significantly less than what is indicated in the chap. 13 charts and I don't think it is b/c my parameters are slightly different (e.g. stop observing =< 2 at deck 6). The sim params are 8D, 6.5/8, S17, DAS, NS, w/ hi-lo count. When I run the sim w/ only "basic" wonging like chapter 10 in Don's book, the win rates match the book's chap. 10 values pretty closely.
Regards, Davis

**Norm** · 08-26-2012, 10:30 AM

Force Shuffle on Exit would cause it to shuffle when you hit TC<=1.

**Davis** · 08-26-2012, 04:13 PM

Originally Posted by Norm

Force Shuffle on Exit would cause it to shuffle when you hit TC<=1.

Thank you Norm! Is there any way I can set it to stop playing at TC<= 1 and shuffle at TC<= -1?

**Norm** · 08-26-2012, 05:01 PM

Well, if you stp playing at TC<=1, you'll never play a hand.

**Davis** · 08-26-2012, 05:12 PM

Originally Posted by Norm

Well, if you stp playing at TC<=1, you'll never play a hand.

Yes, I understand that, so I don't have the stop play set up quite right (I actaully use KO preferred - I posted it w/ hi-lo so it would be more understandable to most who probably use a balanced system. I've actually tried it w/ both systems). I think when I run the sim it freezes whe thew stop play value is greater then than the irc for the first deck - so my error. I'm new to this posting business). BUT, my point is - can I set up the wonging table to play at a certain count, say for example 16 and above in the second deck (irc of 7 w/ ko), stop playing and observe at say 13 and exit with a shuflle at say 10 - is this possible to set up?

**Norm** · 08-26-2012, 05:18 PM

Originally Posted by Davis

Yes, I understand that, so I don't have the stop play set up quite right (I actaully use KO preferred - I posted it w/ hi-lo so it would be more understandable to most who probably use a balanced system. I've actually tried it w/ both systems). I think when I run the sim it freezes whe thew stop play value is greater then than the irc for the first deck - so my error. I'm new to this posting business). BUT, my point is - can I set up the wonging table to play at a certain count, say for example 16 and above in the second deck (irc of 7 w/ ko), stop playing and observe at say 13 and exit with a shuflle at say 10 - is this possible to set up?

Stop Observe only comes into effect if you never played in that shoe. When it hits the Stop Observe number, you leave and go to another table. I don't understand what you are trying to sim. Perhaps you want to set Stop Observe to 10.

**Davis** · 08-26-2012, 05:32 PM

I want to start at the shuffle then, for example, in the second deck the count drops to a value where I stop, for example, at 13 (making up some excuse for it, "Oh I'll think I'll sit out a few hands and change the way the cards are flowing"), and then either continue plying if the count rises to, say, 16 or exit if it continues to fall to particular value, say for example 10.

**Davis** · 08-26-2012, 05:36 PM

just to add, i understand what you mean by the stop observing now. the player actually has not even sat down yet for this value.

**Norm** · 08-26-2012, 05:41 PM

You can set start, stop, stop observing, and re-enter to those numbers. But, it's very difficult to get away with this in a casino. Not impossible in some cases. But, reentering the same shoe on a regular basis is about as suspicious as you can get.

**Davis** · 08-26-2012, 05:56 PM

Yes, you are probably right. just considering all possible options. I would do it rarely and there is one particular casino near the northeast where I think i could do this and get away w/ it at least a little bit. Also, I just wanted to see how it would effect my win rate, etc. Anyway, thanks for your help. I greatly appreciate it. Now that i understand what the stop observing option means I'm wondering about how the force shuffle on exit works w/ the enter shoe multiple times. If I want to reenter, than I don't want to check the shuffle on exit option correct? Otherwise it would just shuffle when I stop playing. So, I can't have both checked at the same time?

Essentially, I think I'm trying to work out how to run the "departure adjusment" from cvcx on cvdata. this option gives such a large increase in win rate that I wanted to be sure and run it on cvdata.

**Norm** · 08-26-2012, 06:01 PM

Originally Posted by Davis

So, I can't have both checked at the same time?

Correct.

**Davis** · 08-26-2012, 06:30 PM

sounds good!

**Davis** · 08-26-2012, 08:34 PM

Actually I just tried the sim in the attachment and it actually does run even w/ TC<=1 in at stop play. It's when I put in 1 for stop observing that the sim won't run....