Well, if you lose two or more hands in a row, you are flat betting, and when you win two or more hands in a row you are likely betting bigger numbers. The attempt to minimize the losses and maximize the winnings is there. It's a better progression than a classical Oscar, my only claim.
Your Hybrid Oscar Grind is still inferior to "Playing prefect basic strategy with flat betting". I don't get it why are you using progression betting systems when there are other forms of advantage play you can use to get an advantage that are easier.Originally Posted by Picasso
Last edited by seriousplayer; 11-09-2014 at 05:01 PM.
No, it isn't. If you insist on playing, and not using a method that somehow takes advantage of seen cards, then flat-betting the min bet will provide for longer play on average than any system which involves bets of different denominations.
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You must couch the fact that this is the "Disadvantage Forum" tab in the fact that the tab itself is located in Blackjack--The Forum, which is an advantage forum.
You yourself admit that neither progression will work. It makes no sense to discuss which poison is the least lethal, or which will allow us to live the longest, unless you mean it tongue in cheek. Sometimes people say they realize that a progression doesn't work, but they hold onto the idea that if they quit before they hit the wall, as you put it, it's a winning system. You did make one of the options, "Don't play." You may not agree with my reasoning, but it's still my answer. Peace.
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Of course, if you flat bet, you will never reach table max, so you can play indefinitely or until your bankroll is completely depleted, but dollar for dollar (i.e. having the same gambling budget), I agree with you Norm, flat betting should last longer.
I found it funny that you said you agree that flat betting will make your bankroll last longer and you state and demand firmly that a progression betting system minimize loses and maximum wins. I don't understand that! If flat betting last long wouldn't it make sense to just flat bet than use betting progressions when you are not counting?Of course, if you flat bet, you will never reach table max, so you can play indefinitely or until your bankroll is completely depleted, but dollar for dollar (i.e. having the same gambling budget), I agree with you Norm, flat betting should last longer.
Well, the logic goes like this: if you want to win in the long term playing blackjack, you must vary your bet size. If you indefinitely flat bet you will definitely lose (luck or no luck), but if you vary your bet size, you may win at this game (if you are lucky); you hope that your bigger bets win, not caring so much for the low ones. A conservative progression gives me a fighting chance for a profit for the short time I spend at a table. So far, I have been «lucky» most of my life. I have played blackjack for a very long time and I have a net profit but only running only in the thousands, some of which has been earned online. Yes, I have had losing sessions, but my total winnings outweigh my losses. Besides, flat betting is no fun.
if you want to win in the long term playing blackjack, you must vary your bet size.
You can't just vary your bet blindly and expect to win in the long term playing blackjack and that is what you doing. No, you will not win in the long run using your system
If you indefinitely flat bet you will definitely lose (luck or no luck).
The same applies to betting progressions. You will definitely lose using progression betting. If you play long enough you will eventually lose.
A conservative progression gives me a fighting chance for a profit for the short time I spend at a table.
It don't make any significance since you are not playing with an advantage.
This post will never negate the house advantage, let that be clear. Our old friend the martingale would be a winner if there was no max bet imposed on the player, casinos know this. The challenge for the progression player like me is to make a profit (making my progression work) BEFORE I hit table max. Sounds simple, but it isn’t. If you lose one unit and win 2 on the next, you have made money regardless of house advantage. I have made more than a thousand dollars playing a 10 cents minimum bet online in a casino situated in Antigua & Barbuda with an ingenious progression. I did eventually reached table max, but by then I was still making a very decent profit. Totesport online casino had to change the playing conditions on me (they lowered table max and never offered me bonuses) because I was making money with them. I had to close my account and move along. Progressions do not negate house advantage, but if you are making money and/or reach max bet and still have a profit, money speaks louder than math. Overall, it’s been good to me although I know I will never make a living playing blackjack. For me the game is a passion, I love the game, I have played everywhere in the world on my travels. Every time I take a cruise ship, I make money, it pays for the drinks (and playing conditions on cruises are terrible now BJ 6:5, H17), so I play their software game BJ 3:2 S17. I played Vegas, New Orleans, Indian casino, Caribbean, Atlantic City, Mississippi etc. and many many online casinos. If the conditions are right (low minimum, high maximum and low increments) I will play. Even a progression player will attract heat if he is winning. I’ve been scrutinized and talked to by pit bosses thinking I was counting (they try to distract me), but never kicked out. I’ve been questioned in Vegas (El Cortez) but no more than questioned. Casinos don’t like winners, regardless if you count or not.
Has for the Hybrid-Oscar, I have never played it for money; I just came up with the idea the other day while reading this forum. Does it negate house advantage, of course not, but it’s an improvement over the classical Oscar, that I am certain of.
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