Is Continued Shuffle Machine game plabable

[ellenc]

I would like to ask a question, is the CSM game playable? Assuming the rule is 6D, dealer stand on 17, double down on any two card, late surrender allow, split any pair, re-split As allow. blackjack pay 2:1. Does the basic strategy work in the game? Does card counting has any place in this seting?

[Nyne]

Where is this game located? I can come check it out to see if it is worth playing.

Serious answer though, yes, unless there is something you aren't mentioning, this is an excellent game. I suggest deleting your post if this game is available to you. You have a healthy edge off the top, so being on a CSM is actually a good thing. While it does almost completely eliminate the usefulness of counting, you will be betting quite a bit regardless, and the CSM speeds up the game considerably, which is what you want.

[bigplayer]

Remember 2 for 1 is the same thing as even money. But generally, yes, even a CSM can be worth playing if you get enough comps and/or cashback from the casino.

[Three]

Remember 2 for 1 is the same thing as even money.

I am trying to understand this statement. Are you saying insure BJ against an ace for steady BR growth? Insuring for half your bet you get even money if the dealer has BJ and 3:2 if the dealer doesn't.

[21forme]

Remember 2 for 1 is the same thing as even money. But generally, yes, even a CSM can be worth playing if you get enough comps and/or cashback from the casino.

To expand on this 2 for 1 equals even money. 2 to 1 means you get paid double your bet on a BJ. The key word being FOR vs. TO. Video BJ machines often say BJ pays 2 for 1.

[MJGolf]

I would like to ask a question, is the CSM game playable? Assuming the rule is 6D, dealer stand on 17, double down on any two card, late surrender allow, split any pair, re-split As allow. blackjack pay 2:1. Does the basic strategy work in the game? Does card counting has any place in this seting?

Your minor typo is almost correct..........LOL CSM's are usually "play babble" v playable. But if your rule is truly BJ pays 2 to 1 (not 2 for 1), then let us know where the game is. If close enough, might want to scout/check it out.

[ellenc]

[QUOTE=Nyne;139845]Where is this game located? I can come check it out to see if it is worth playing.

I apologize to all, I make some error in listing the rule. It should really be: BJ pay 3:2

• Six decks
• Dealer stands on soft 17
• Player may double on any first two cards, including after splitting
• Player may split to up to four hands, included aces
• Player may take early surrender, except against a dealer ace

The game is located in Macau.

[RobinHood21]

Not playable... And it's not six decks. Continuous Shuffle Machines (CSM's) are practically infinite decks. As long as the dealer is replacing the played cards back into the machine after each hand dealt... This makes the game not countable or "playable".

[RobinHood21]

I have heard of people shuffle tracking these machines, but I have a hard time believing that it's true. If STing is possible then it could possibly make these games playable.

Having heard things about the way Macau handles their Casino operations. I would believe that they have the best technology for preventing STing on their CSM's.

[bigplayer]

(CSM's) are practically infinite decks. As long as the dealer is replacing the played cards back into the machine after each hand dealt.

This is not correct. The number of decks in play is still the number of decks in play. If there are 6 decks then it would essentially be a six deck game with 5.7 decks cutoff.

[RobinHood21]

That's why I said practically.


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[RS]

That's why I said practically.


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It's not practically infinite decks, though. It is ACTUALLY 6 decks (or however many are loaded into the CSM).

[UK-21]

I have heard of people shuffle tracking these machines, but I have a hard time believing that it's true. If STing is possible then it could possibly make these games playable.

I've seen someone doing some sort of steering exercise whilst playing against a CSM - go figure? He must think that that the re-insertion into the ferris wheel has a "clumping" effect that provides an angle. I think there probably is, but of course the nature of the mechanism may be that clumps would be hard to track, as there's a distinct possibility that they might not show up (unlike in a shoe game where they're highly likely to put an appearance in before the cut card shows up?) for long periods.

By the way, he lost a fair bit of money for his efforts.