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    Let's use memory!

    Good afternoon, guys! I'm a beginner in BJ, but I have one awesome trick - perfect memory. Remember a deck of cards in 2 minutes? Easy! Remember 8 decks of cards while playing BJ and talking to other people? Okay! And I wonder, how can I use this opportunity in the game? Which system or strategy I need to use my memory in full force?

    Thank you very much.

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    The best use of your ability is what games you should play. You should be playing pitch games, single or double deck. HIOPT I is designed for use in pitch games while keeping many side counts.

    I am not an ST expert but your ability might have a huge advantage for shuffle tracking opportunities. I will leave it to the ST experts to comment on what games are best to ply your skill at and how to learn to track. Needless to say the shuffle is what makes the game strong and SD is not a good target game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tthree View Post
    The best use of your ability is what games you should play. You should be playing pitch games, single or double deck. HIPT I is designed for use in pitch games while keeping many side counts.

    I am not an ST expert but your ability might have a huge advantage for shuffle tracking opportunities.I will leave it to the ST experts to comment on what games are best to ply your skill at and how to learn to track. Needless to say the shuffle is what makes the game strong and SD is not a good target game.
    I'm sorry for knowledge, but what's HIPT I, ST and SD?

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    HIOPT I = hiopt 1 counting system
    ST = shuffle tracking
    SD = single deck

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    Shuffle tracking can be a great asset in picking apart weak deals, especially in a poker game where the shuffles are not being handled correctly. A tracker can get a tremendous advantage over the other players at the table which can greatly influence the game and playing decisions. I would like to find a great SD BJ game that is hand shuffled to see if I have what it takes to beat a professional dealers shuffle granted that a wash is not performed on the cards in a BJ game before I get the cut card, but I don't think that it's going to happen anytime soon. A casino would really have to let their guard down in a SD game to be given such an opportunity to get the feedback.

    I understand that ASM's are supposedly random shufflers but I wonder if it would be possible to shuffle track a SD BJ game ace sequencing. Probably not, but knowing that about 50% of the cards or so will be dealt out between decks that isn't much time for a shuffler to shuffle and I wonder just how far from random a shuffle could be in the sequential ordering of the deck being shuffled. It would be difficult to cut where a particular ace being tracked would be in a SD because of the ASM but no wash is being performed... but with a good memory and by remembering the companion cards surrounding the ace it could be a tell tell sign of how much deviation/randomization took place from sequential ordering if those cards are seen in play when the deck comes back into play.
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    Thanks for information. But there is any system, that can let me to play 8D, using my memory? For example, do you know which system does Dominic O'Brien use?

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    Got it! Here it is: http://stepanov.lk.net/mnemo/dom24e.html

    "Thus, the results of 100,000 combinations of hands were tabulated." So, he just remember 100 000 different situations in BlackJack? Technically, it is not difficult to determine the right decision in any BJ situation, right? Statistics to help. And he just did it for a lot of times (100 000), tabulated it and remember! Right?

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    It's interesting, thank you. Couple of minutes ago I posted very amusing link about Dominic O'Brien's system. Can you read it and say, am I understand it right? He just remember 100 000 different situations in BlackJack?

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    If I could remember all the cards played by rank and could memorize a lot of other info, I would memorize the relative values of the few key cards for each matchup. Like say the match up is 12v6 in an H17 game. The T is the only card that acts as a high card (check the hand matchup EORs in BJA3). A tag of -2 for the T and +1 for A,2,3,4,5,8 and 9. You can generate depth based indices these unbalanced count tag values or add the 8 to the low cards and generate a balanced count index for theses tags. You would need to memorize different count tags and indices for every play but many plays that most counts wouldn't consider would become strong plays. You would need to be able to do three things that most find difficult. Memorize how many of each rank has been seen. Remember tons of tag configurations for different matchups. And perform the necessary math to figure the right play quickly. This seems like a superhuman feat but I bet some have the skill set to do it. Of course you could use any count for betting decisions but that too would need to be calculated every time from the number of cards of each rank seen. I would just simplify things and use HIOPT I with all neutral cards side counted to keep things simple.

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    How much benefit could be gained by learning all of the composition dependent indices?
    Maman died today. Or yesterday maybe, I don't know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by muckz View Post
    How much benefit could be gained by learning all of the composition dependent indices?
    No one seems to really know, or if they do they haven't published the information. They can give PE numbers, but that number is relative and cannot predict EV or SCORE.

    Griffin showed where perfect play could shave .302% from the house advantage in a 6D game. Any playable system would not be that effective.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NewTume View Post
    Thanks for information. But there is any system, that can let me to play 8D, using my memory? For example, do you know which system does Dominic O'Brien use?
    Fortunately, I began reading the link you provided by scanning the whole page, so my eyes caught these sentences and I stopped.

    Memory also plays a vital role when I have to refer back to a mental reference grid that I have compiled. Using location, I can access the print-out from Las Vegas, the books I have read, and my own statistical findings. It is a vast data base, equipping me for every possible hand.For example, let's assume my first two cards total 12, I immediately refer to a location based around the Peacock Theatre in Woking. (12 - AB. My own person for AB is Alan Bennett, the actor and playwright). The dealer's card is a 2, which tells me to locate the second stage along the journey: the box office. I have a mental image of bars across the ticket window and the man inside wearing handcuffs, as if he was in a prison. Handcuffs gives me a coded true count of +3.

    At least, as far as Blackjack is concerned, this guy does not seem to be real.
    Life's true face is the skull.” - Nikos Kazantzakis

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skull View Post
    Fortunately, I began reading the link you provided by scanning the whole page, so my eyes caught these sentences and I stopped.

    Memory also plays a vital role when I have to refer back to a mental reference grid that I have compiled. Using location, I can access the print-out from Las Vegas, the books I have read, and my own statistical findings. It is a vast data base, equipping me for every possible hand.For example, let's assume my first two cards total 12, I immediately refer to a location based around the Peacock Theatre in Woking. (12 - AB. My own person for AB is Alan Bennett, the actor and playwright). The dealer's card is a 2, which tells me to locate the second stage along the journey: the box office. I have a mental image of bars across the ticket window and the man inside wearing handcuffs, as if he was in a prison. Handcuffs gives me a coded true count of +3.

    At least, as far as Blackjack is concerned, this guy does not seem to be real.
    This type of memory does exist, you could look up more memory palace techniques, it is trainable to some degree.

    Dominic was pretty good, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Memory_Championships
    Maman died today. Or yesterday maybe, I don't know.

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