Dealer paying mistakes

[KJ]

Take the money and keep your mouth closed. I always trust the dealer to know what they are doing unless the error is in the houses favor then I correct it immediately.

Interesting justification, bigplayer. You 'trust' the dealer...umm...sometimes....depending.

I, myself employ pretty much the same philosophy. I am not entirely comfortable with the way I handle it, but that's the way I do it. I mean you correct a mistake in your favor, and it's negative all the way around. You lose money. You point out dealer mistake, which could be detrimental to him. And the whole incident draws attention. Who wins?

At least when I correct a short pay to myself, there is a winner or beneficiary....me!

[muffdiver]

I was happy to see both KJ and bp (and all others) weigh in because I had almost asked this question to KJ directly before I started the thread.
I'm slightly surprised by his response considering his ethical standards but I certainly can't condemn people for doing the same as I do.
My strict Christian upbringing wouldn't condone my approach but gaming in itself is taboo in their eyes, too. I guess my claim to being an honest person comes up a little short here. My guilt feelings aren't all that strong though because of the people being dealt with, I guess.

[metronome]

I'm conflicted on this one. I lean towards Ouchez's take, it don't feel right.
However we know how brutally predatory the casino industry is towards their patrons.
But I suppose two wrongs still don't make a right.

[Three]

But I suppose two wrongs still don't make a right.

Well maybe you just need more dealer errors in your favor to make it right.

[moo321]

I usually accept, but make no effort to induce dealer error.

It can be a very valuable edge, I've had BJ games over 2% off the top due to dealer error.

[BJNewbeeNoMore]

I don't quickly pull the mispay. Sort of like giving the dealer a 2nd chance to catch his error on his own. If he didn't realize his error, I would gladly take it.

[stopgambling]

2 thing came to my mind after reading this thread. Insightful ,thanks. Just think about it makes me smile as i just learn something. No ,it was not Bj genius response.

[Exoter175]

Take the money and keep your mouth closed. I always trust the dealer to know what they are doing unless the error is in the houses favor then I correct it immediately.

I kind of align myself with your thinking on this one. I tend to keep it out there and look at it a bit longer, just in case they figure it out. If they don't, I'm on it like white on rice and wont say anything until it affects me.

I will gladly accept all dealer payoff mistakes that they give me. I'll give it back if the dealer calls me on it if they catch their mistake, but normally they don't see their mistake and I end up keeping the payoff. I've seen how the house tries to intimidate winners and have seen them resort to thuggish/mob-like intimidation tactics in an attempt to stop a player from winning or playing so I have no mercy for the house, and I will give them none.

Kind of the same, if they call me on it, I have zero problems giving it back because I expect them to give mine back if I catch THEM on it. Unless its way later on down the road.

I don't quickly pull the mispay. Sort of like giving the dealer a 2nd chance to catch his error on his own. If he didn't realize his error, I would gladly take it.

Bingo.

[BJGenius007]

"I tried to surrender once against a newbie dealer and he tried to give me half my bet as a payoff (without taking my bet). I knew they would review it and they had asked me to teach her the ropes. I pointed it out."

Once I tried to surrender. The newbie dealer pushed my original bet back, then paid me double my bet. That is one hell of deal. He must confuse surrender with buying insurance.

[BugsySeagull]

I once saw a guy, playing green chips, get asked by the pit to give back an alleged mispay. I didn't see the alleged mistake myself so I don't know who was right, but the PB said that the eye saw him get paid in error a few hands ago, and the player argued that it was not a mistake. Eventually, the PB just gave up and told him to not worry about it.

The most I've ever benefitted from a mistake was a paid push on a minimum bet. I also had to give back a 2X min. bet BJ win because I was paid before the dealer checked for ace under her 10.

[Solo player]

It depends on the play that is going down and conditions. But generally speaking. I keep all miss pays in my favor. However, if it gets you brownie points with a pit crew that sweats your play, and reduces there scrutiny of your table. Then by all means point out a miss pay. With that said I have received some rather large miss pays that the dealer has awarded me along with the floors nod of approval that I could not help but keep. LOL!

[Three]

The most I've ever benefitted from a mistake was a paid push on a minimum bet.

I was repeatedly miss payed over $2K in one session. It was 3 different dealers and they all were doing it. Getting miss payed on doubled down max bets that you should have lost happened a few times. It was pretty obvious this little casino had no EITS. Veteran dealers miss paying every few hands. I asked the really bad dealer (or good from my perspective) how long he had been working there and then answer was 3 years. Last time I went there a dealer I never saw before kept trying to miss pay but they were almost always the wrong direction. I think I only got 2 miss pays the whole session. I got great pen for a change though and quickly hit the win tolerance goal for the little place.

[Skull]

I learned a lot in this thread, thanks!

I was impressed to learn that casino personnel go after the CLIENT for their money back. In my mind, they would go after the DEALER, say, after shift change, and (sorry, the words are not coming today) tell him where he got wrong and kinda warn him like "You keep doing this and you will get fired" or something like this. I imagine myself in the position of the guy BugsySeagull mentioned. I would be really pissed to have to give them my money back. I am putting myself in a non-counter's feet here, so that I don't care about casino scrutiny or heat or anything like that. They would have to show me the video of that happening, otherwise I wouldn't give them my money back without a fight.

Man, I am in awe by this line of conduct of the casinos. This is an inherent risk of their business! They should aim to correct that internally, not externally by harassing their customers! They really don't want to lose, do they? I mean ANYTHING! You can't think, you can't win, THEIR employees can't make mistakes that go in your favor, they simply can't lose, can they? Do they come rushing down the stairs to correct a mistake in favor of the HOUSE? If the answer is NO, I have no doubt I will ALWAYS get their money!

I was concerned about the dealer getting into trouble, that's why I made the first post in this thread. But you know what? In my job, if I make a mistake, someone may die! It may be you, it may be a dear friend or it may be me. So I can't make a mistake and I don't.

With this conduct of the casinos you guys just described, if the dealer makes a mistake, sorry, I'll take the money!