What is a creative way to backcount without being too obvious that you are counting?

[seriousplayer]

I am looking for a way to backcount that is not too obvious that I am counting. I usually stand at the craps table being interested in crap and counting the cards on the blackjack table. The problem with that method is I couldn't tell certain what some of the cards were because the cards are not clear from a far distance. I was able to tell face cards because of the color but the other cards sometime I read wrong. For example, I though I saw a 6 but it turn out to be a 8 card.

I don't mind standing behind the table backcounting but it is just too obvious to the casino I am counting cards.

Does any experts here have any suggestions on how I can improve my backcounting?

Any help would be deeply appreciated.

Thank You

[bigplayer]

Stick and move. Keep track of dealers about to shuffle out of the corner of your eye, when a table gets a minus running count immediately write it off and move to another table where the dealer is about to load a fresh shoe. After a few rounds if you get a positive count below your entry point pull out your wallet and start thumbing through the money, if you've been standing there a while and the count is + but still below your entry point you should go ahead and enter anyway to lock up the seat and avoid looking like you're backcounting. Once you've begun playing continue to play until your regular exit point, but stay aware of dealers who are shuffling and be prepared to move a bit early if other options are available and ready to go.

Don't just stand behind a table staring. You want to be constantly on the move and writing off tables quickly and moving to the next one is the way to do it. If you only have a few tables then learn to find other stuff to look at between rounds. If you miss a few hit cards it's not that important, just pretend they are unseen cards behind the cut card. The point of backcounting is to be able to bet $0 rather than long extended strings of table minimum bets. If you do it right backcounting can result in less heat, particularly if your net spread once you begin playing is only 1-4 or 1-6. Beware though, if you obviously backcount for too long without a good "act" and then blast a shoe really good, the casino will run back the tape and see that you were a "Wonger" and it might generate more heat than if you'd just sat there and used a giant spread white rabbit approach with some random type betting when the count is in the -0.5 to +0.5 range.

Like with most things, getting away with it depends on your table comportment and your ability to lay on the bullshit.

[seriousplayer]

Beware though, if you obviously backcount for too long without a good "act" and then blast a shoe really good, the casino will run back the tape and see that you were a "Wonger" and it might generate more heat than if you'd just sat there and used a giant spread white rabbit approach with some random type betting when the count is in the -0.5 to +0.5 range.

Like with most things, getting away with it depends on your table comportment and your ability to lay on the bullshit.

Thank You for answering my question. There is nothing wrong with the White Rabbit technique but using the White Rabbit won't always get me a SCORE of 50 or higher at a fixed bet spread. For example, using a 1-8 or sometime 1-10 with wongout in negative counts with a 75% penetration might not get you a SCORE of 50.

What I like about backcounting is that it generates a high SCORE even with a 1-3 bet spread. That is why I choose to use the backcounting technique over the White Rabbit sometimes.

[bigplayer]

White Rabbit won't always get me a SCORE of 50 or higher

It does when you spread 1-80. For example a typical big money solo AP betting scheme would be something like this with a typical off the top bet of 1@$100.

<-2 Change Tables or Sit Out
-1 to -2 1@$25
-1 to +1 Random betting from $50 to $100
+1 $100
+2 2@$200 or 1@$300
+3 2@$400
+4 to +6 2@$700
> +6 2@$1000

Obviously not everyone has the BR to bet that big, but if you change the bottom bet from 1@$25 to 1@$10 and your top bet to 2@$400 instead of 2@$1000 you're getting the same 1-80 spread. Likewise, a 1-40 spread $25 to 2@$500 or a 1-30 spread but wonging out at -1 instead of -2, etc are all possibilities.

[moo321]

I just stand right behind the table and watch the cards. Sometimes for 10+ minutes. Gets the money great.

[Ouchez]

Most casinos have TV's all around the pits, you can watch the TV and with peripheral vision count down the deck, while standing sideways to the table, a baseball cap can be of some help. I do not wong, but when I did I used this method., I still use it to check for HCing.

I have found that wonging will often, as Big said, be treated much more harshly than a play all AP.

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[RobinHood21]

I don't do this that much. I actually just recently started. But I would say if you are playing small to mid stakes (say max bets of $100-$300) you should not be worried too much about being obvious. Anything above that might draw some attention especially if you color up a decent amount. In the $5,000 or above range. Some casinos give automatic reviews of sessions if you win a certain amount of money. In my experience with working in casinos it is generally around $10,000 wins.


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[Shoofly]

The conditions have to be right for wonging. Many tables open in several pits. Crowded aisles so someone milling around isn't noticed. In my area that means Friday or Saturday night. If those conditions are met, I just stand there as long as I want and have never had a problem. I use a little common sense, such as if I slam a table hard, I avoid that pit for awhile, but on the whole, I just stand there and don't worry about it.

[RobinHood21]

I use a little common sense, such as if I slam a table hard, I avoid that pit for awhile, but on the whole, I just stand there and don't worry about it.

Common sense is not so common in the casino or AP world. lol

[hitA7]

Once you are proficient to count without staring at the cards, [insert nike motto here]!!!

[stopgambling]

It really depends on your stakes and what kind of action does the casino takes as well. Don't be too obvious but you still need to play to win. You are not playing in a way so the casino would like you (may tolerate you for a short while),remember that.