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Thread: Why can't you adjust playing two hands to one in CVCX for unbalanced strategies?

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    Quote Originally Posted by muckz View Post
    First of all, the indices in norms book are RISK AVERSE. The hi-lo indices you are comparing to commonly found around the internet, bja3(which are from wong's book), and wong's professional bj are EV MAXIMIZING indices. They are completely different if you want to compare them that way.

    Yes, the indices are generated in norms book. Again, they are RISK AVERSE and if you read carefully, the only time you would subtract 4 from each index would be IF you are using the brett harris simplification that starts with an IRC of -pivot. For the traditional method of ub'd tc calculation those indices are correct. The reason why some indices are close is because RISK AVERSION has little use on some indices, the choice is night and day.

    I did go ahead and run a nice simulation for you. I used the EV MAXIMIZING indices in bja3/wong. To your surprise, TKO worked just fine, in fact, it outperformed Hi-Lo.

    The rules I used were s17, surrender, no rsa, no doa. 5/6 penetration 1-12 spread using 2 hands at all counts.

    You can find the results attached.

    Attachment 1700
    Did you used CVCX or CVData? Even comparing the Risk Averse indices in Blackjack Attack 3 to the Risk Averse indices in Modern Blackjack they not the same.

    For example, in Modern Blackjack it has TKO or TREKO taking insurance at TC => +4 but the risk averse indices in Blackjack Attack to take insurance for Hi-lo is still TC => +3. For doubling 9 vs 2 is has doubling at TC =>+2 for TKO. Hi-lo the risk averse and EV max is still TC => 1 for doubling.

    You probably will get a better SCORE with Modern Blackjack indices for TKO and compare it to the rules you have right now.

    "To your surprise, TKO worked just fine, in fact, it outperformed Hi-Lo."

    Did you try comparing the EV Max indices for TKO to the EV Max indices that you interchange from Hi-lo to TKO? I bet the SCORE might be lower for the EV Max indices that you interchange from Hi-lo to TKO. I am not surprise by the way.
    Last edited by seriousplayer; 07-14-2014 at 11:56 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norm View Post
    What model i5?
    Core i5 M430 @ 2.27 GHz 2.27GHz

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    Remember that I first suggested just doing a comparison between balanced and unbalanced systems if you were too lazy.

    Anyways, I made some more results for you. Again, indices are almost entirely interchangeable. Sims are TKO using catch 22 RA indices, and TKO using hi-lo catch 22 RA indices.

    for serious player tko.zip
    Maman died today. Or yesterday maybe, I don't know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by muckz View Post
    Remember that I first suggested just doing a comparison between balanced and unbalanced systems if you were too lazy.

    Anyways, I made some more results for you. Again, indices are almost entirely interchangeable. Sims are TKO using catch 22 RA indices, and TKO using hi-lo catch 22 RA indices.

    for serious player tko.zip
    As expected using the TKO Catch 22 RA indices that belongs to the system does outperform the interchanged Hi-lo Catch 22 RA indices to TKO. Not by much but it is still lower the N0 from using the original indices.

    "Remember that I first suggested just doing a comparison between balanced and unbalanced systems if you were too lazy."
    Because I never even think about interchanging indices from Hi-lo to TKO. Why would I need to? I pay money for simulations software rather use it.
    Last edited by seriousplayer; 07-14-2014 at 12:57 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seriousplayer View Post
    Core i5 M430 @ 2.27 GHz 2.27GHz
    I'd set it to 3 threads. It would probably work at 3.5, but could overheat as it's a mobile chip. At 3, it will run nearly three times the speed as a setting of 1.
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    I surrender
    Maman died today. Or yesterday maybe, I don't know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norm View Post
    I'd set it to 3 threads. It would probably work at 3.5, but could overheat as it's a mobile chip. At 3, it will run nearly three times the speed as a setting of 1.
    I am pushing it by using 3.5?

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    Quote Originally Posted by muckz View Post
    I surrender
    I don't understand. Why would you want to exchanged the indices?

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