I witnessed the most idiotic way to piss away A LOT of $$$

[KJ]

As to this player you speak of, how would you have felt had he won big, playing the same way??,,would you have thought you were maybe watching one of the greats, like JG, Bojack or Maz,,maybe even Tommy Hyland, or maybe if you were in VeGas, KJ himself!

Please good sir, don't insult these outstanding players (I almost said gentlemen, but at least one is usually pretty rough around the edges for that term...) by including me among that special group. There certainly are circumstances that such seemingly idiotic plays could be advanced AP plays, but as you know MR O, that is not my game and is far above my level.

I do find it interesting that T Dane (good to see you posting again), weighed in giving us a little insight as to how they might view in on the other side of the table or from above. What I take from his statement is something I have known for some time. Unusual plays draw attention. There are those that believe that unusual bad plays provide cover. But I believe in a top notch casino with good personnel (and that's a whole different topic) that such plays first draw attention and then possibly cover, but only if they dismiss you as an idiot. The initial response is attention and let's figure this guy out. That means laying on more and more cover to 'prove' yourself an idiot. Too much cover for me.

[Norm]

Think horses, not zebras.

[KJ]

What was that buzzing above....something just went right over my head. Professor Norm, in my case, think sweathogs (from welcome back Kotter fame) as your target audience.

[Ouchez]

Could he possibly being a pro? sure it’s possible, though highly unlikely. Could he have won? Perhaps, and if he did, I really wouldn’t have cared. It’s his money. I just observed he had all the tells of a ploppy on steroids.

As for my “jerk” comment….I mentioned how this guy was treating the dealers, such as yelling at them and calling them names, cursing them out, literally. Then mocking a specific dealer because of the way he physically dealt the cards (the dealer was an older gentlemen, very nice man btw, and his hands are shaky because of his age). Then, his demeanor in asking for two cocktails at a time with a horrible arrogant attitude towards the waitress, then not even saying thank you to her, let alone giving her a tip…sorry if me referring to that jerk as a jerk offends you.

Hit,

Well, thank you and I do accept the sincere apology. I too am an older Man, and very nice BTW, but my hands don't shake,, and I thank you for caring about us senior citizens. There is a lesson here for you, that lesson is how a normally thoughtful person can go on tilt in the casino, lose money and with a drink or two become another person, maybe a person to fear and want to stay clear of. Again I have seen this many times when a wealthy bizzness, or professional person turns into a monster in the casino as he, she, starts to lose and lose BIG! So as I see it this was really a good lesson for you, stay clear of angry people at the table. Story,,, I once played a great game with another player in the Frozen North, this player was going crazy as he lost, he was actually pulling his hair out and had the very pretty and young dealer feeling very sorry for him, what she did not know, and I did not at first, that he was one of the most famous AP's in the USA, and played for the legendary Batman and Robin team, in short order he all of a sudden took them for many thousands, and they still felt sorry for him, gave him a room, and the next day he did the same,,so you never really know, you never really do!

O

[Marvin]

Think horses, not zebras.

Unless you're in the Sudan...

[DSchles]

https://www.ecri.org/40years/Pages/L...Interview.aspx

[KJ]

https://www.ecri.org/40years/Pages/L...Interview.aspx

Thank you for that explanation, DS.

[21forme]

Think horses, not zebras.

Did you get this from the book, "House of God" by Samuel Shem?

[BJGenius007]

You witnessed the player...I don't know details. All I'm saying is there will be a lot of questions when it comes to suspicious play. For example, on the 2/6 hand, what was the bet? If it's low, was it to camouflage? If it's high, could it be info? If the next card is an 8 and the dealer has a 16, what should you do with a 2/6 and a max bet? With any playing error, you have to know the order of cards and differentiate whether it's a bs mistake or a deviation. How many deviations were made? Are they consistent with info play? Is there a pattern for high and low wagers? Was it the same dealer? Is the style of play the same with other dealers? Etc.

On the two hand spread, he received a 10 for the first hand but what was the next card for his second hand?

This is what I mean by saying there will be questions. Without details, I can't help myself but ask worst player or pro? But of course, I don't expect you to know every detail.

I recently witness an AP turning clump tracker. I saw him play before. I know he is capable of perfect index play using Hi-Lo in the past. But some of the plays are like these:

1. Surrender 2,6 against up card 10.
2. Surrender 18 against up card 9 or 10.
3. Double down 2,4 against 2.
4. Surrender A,7 against 9.
5. Split 5, 5 against 9.
6. Split 5, 5 against 10.
7. Not split a pair of A's.

Almost every time he made the right play to maximize his return. And his chips kept going up. When I sat down, I estimate he had 5K. When I left, he had at least 12K. Every time pit boss came to see, he made another terrible play if the right move is defined by Basic Strategy. But he won every time. You never know what people are capable of.

[SURFER]

Heres my latest story, 8 deck shoe old timer at the table playing black and black only one on one with the dealer, i start back counting count gets tc+ 1 i step in ask if he mines if i sit down he is very nice says sure, at most one deck is gone while im back counting he lost every hand he was playing perfect BS id say he had 20k on the table in black and were not in the high limits pen, we start playing he is spreading from 100 to 800 per hand and only playing one hand at a time, long story short at the end of the shoe he had lost it all and i was up $ 45.00 dollars. made me sad.

[scottwilliam]

seen ALOT of bad plays..like splitting 5's against anything..

[Norm]

Did you get this from the book, "House of God" by Samuel Shem?

No. It's a well-known quote. Just the MD's version of Occam's Razor.

[Night_Rider]

Think horses, not zebras.

Maybe they were Casino Employees. But for what reason?

Night_Rider