At which casino would you play?

**counter19** · 07-07-2014, 10:27 PM

There are only 5 casinos in my area. I have no choice to play rated at all of them and every dealer and pit boss there knows my name. Therefore, ratholing is a must. The interesting thing is that they ALL have different rules, but all casinos pay 3/2 blackjack, both 2 and 6 deck.

Here are the 2 deck rules for each:

Casino 1: DAS, No surrender, DOA, 60-90% penetration depending on dealer (yes, I said 90%. There is a new guy that cuts so deep, I often wonder if he'll run out of cards), S17.
Casino 2: DAS, late surrender, DOA, 60-75% penetration, H17.
Casino 3: DAS, no surrender, Double 8,9,10,11 only, 75% penetration with everybody, H17, can play two hands at table minimum.
Casino 4: DAS, no surrender, Double 9, 10, 11 only, 75% 60-75% penetration with everybody, H17
Casino 5: NDAS, no surrender, DOA, 70-75% penetration with most dealers, H17

6 deck rules:

Casino 1: DAS, no surrender, DOA, 80% penetration, S17
Casino 2: DAS, early surrender, DOA, 75-80% penetration, H17
Casino 3: DAS, no surrender, DOA, 80% penetration, H17
Casino 4: DAS, no surrender, DOA, 67% penetration (pathetic), H17
Casino 5: Same as casino 2

So without using software to calculate, I'm thinking that the following is the order of favorable casinos from most to least:

2 deck:

2, 1, 3, 4, 5

6 deck:

2, 1, 3/5, 4

All casinos have different comps policies as well:

Casino 1: Best comps. I can get a free hotel room and food whenever I want. I also have comps on my card that accumulate as I play. They exist apart from the comps that I ask for so I should never have to pay for anything.
Casino 2: Free food and cheap hotel cost.
Casino 3: Can accumulate points for beer and even gasoline. Recently added food comps as well but are not on card and have to ask. Depending on how many they have given out, may not be able to get during visit.
Casino 4: Can use points on card for gas as well, but no food nor hotel comps unless I bet big (which my bankroll won't allow).
Casino 5: No comps whatsoever

ALL casinos know my name. I have not had any heat from counting yet and only feel nervous with Casino 2. I could see them giving me the tap if I'm not careful.

Any comments or advice?

**mhb** · 07-07-2014, 11:20 PM

I would advise to play all 5 casinos with
the exception of the game of 6 decks with poor penetration.
to analyze too deeply the differences in these games
is not very useful.
otherwise all 5 casinos are playable.
of course you need a large bet spread.
I think 4 to 1 on dd and 10 or more to 1
on 6d.

**counter19** · 07-08-2014, 08:38 AM

Originally Posted by mhb

I would advise to play all 5 casinos with
the exception of the game of 6 decks with poor penetration.
to analyze too deeply the differences in these games
is not very useful.
otherwise all 5 casinos are playable.
of course you need a large bet spread.
I think 4 to 1 on dd and 10 or more to 1
on 6d.

Only 4 to 1 on dd? Dang, I go at least 6 to 1 and sometimes 8 to 1 if I think I can get away with it. I didn't think 4 to 1 would keep me in the black.

**muckz** · 07-07-2014, 11:53 PM

You have two casinos near you that offer ES?????????

**Exoter175** · 07-08-2014, 04:20 AM

For my preference, Casino #1 for 2D, Casino # 1 or 2 for 6D. If you've got a big spread option and you're backcounting well, probably #2 over #1 for 6D if you can MSE.

**counter19** · 07-08-2014, 08:42 AM

muckz,
Apologies, I made a slight boo-boo. I meant to say "same as casino 3" not "2." But yes, I do have one casino that allows early surrender, but only on 6D.

Exoter175,

I really can't wong in. The casinos are too small and casino 2 especially sweats the money. They do all have MSE on 6D though.

**code red** · 07-08-2014, 09:17 AM

Definitely play the ES game

**AnzaExo** · 07-12-2014, 01:56 AM

I won't play seriously anywhere that doesn't offer surrender

**Exoter175** · 07-12-2014, 02:44 AM

Originally Posted by AnzaExo

I won't play seriously anywhere that doesn't offer surrender

I wish I had that luxury, Surrender is unheard of out here.

**AnzaExo** · 07-12-2014, 03:30 AM

Originally Posted by Exoter175

I wish I had that luxury, Surrender is unheard of out here.

Ouch!

**muffdiver** · 07-12-2014, 05:55 AM

Originally Posted by AnzaExo

I won't play seriously anywhere that doesn't offer surrender

Wrong approach. Surrender is nice but many other factors can make for playable games without it.

**AnzaExo** · 07-12-2014, 11:29 AM

Of course there could be preferential/promotional terms that are superior to an available surrender.. Or did you have something else in mind?

**Exoter175** · 07-12-2014, 03:58 PM

Originally Posted by AnzaExo

Ouch!

Tell me about it, haven't seen surrender since I was in Vegas earlier this year.

Originally Posted by AnzaExo

Of course there could be preferential/promotional terms that are superior to an available surrender.. Or did you have something else in mind?

I think what he was getting at is, while Surrender is nice and a big help to the player, there are other rules that could be so detrimental in a game with surrender, that would almost not make it worth it, like 6:5. Whereas there's games that don't offer surrender right next door that have some rules that are similar to make a very fair game S17, RSA, DAS, DOA as an example.